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TOO BAD PILOTS CAN'T BE FREE AGENTS IN "THE MAJORS"...I'm look'in at you ALPA.

LizzyBorden

Oh bless your little heart, cannot get away from the regional forums can you? Kind of like that first year of college kid who still hangs out around the high schools. Please thank your captain for giving you permission to take a break from getting his coffee and licking his boots.

Now, on to other matters.

I would really like you to please educate me on my so called Endeavor employment. I must have missed something....You may want to request a refund on your time at the Sylvia Browne school of psychic abilities.

No matter how much you stomp your feet and throw a fit, every Endeavor pilot's org chart ends with Ed Bastian.....just like every Delta pilot. Sorry champ, they are Delta employees.

Oh, and regarding the minor league baseball situation. Same deal applies to that as well. They are employee's of the organization that owns their contract. Yankee's own their contract, that makes them a Yankee.

No amount of Kamala Harris speak is going to change those simple facts.

13pro

Anyone that thinks 9E is getting sold… why did Delta just spend over $50M (guessing on that number) on completely rebuilding the 9E trading facility including new sims, new FTDs, new door trainers, and bringing all pilot
and FA training into the facility. It is now the largest CRJ training center in the world, and they still aren’t done. Also, while it likely doesn’t mean much, they are also spending millions on adding the ERJ to the certificate. Doesn’t seem like that all would make sense if you are planning to sell…

Hedley

I’m an outsider without a dog in this fight, but there is one key difference between Endeavor and Delta pilots. Delta pilots are employed directly by Delta, where Endeavor pilots are employed by a wholly owned subsidiary. If Delta decided to retire a mainline fleet type, those pilots would simply bid other aircraft since they are employed by Delta, are on their seniority list, and are protected by their contract. If Delta decided to either sell Endeavor or retire their fleet, their pilots would have no such rights and would be on the street. Endeavor is obviously a key part of the Delta operation and will most likely remain, but they are a separate part.

LizzyBorden

This is also nothing more but word salad. Every pilot for both Delta and Endeavor's org chart ends at Ed Bastian. Until this point can be proven wrong, which it cannot, anything to try and say otherwise is a failed attempt. Sorry dude.

brulezrulez

Are there really still people here at 9E that think they are Delta pilots? Either we really are hiring anyone and everyone, or I’m just too easy to troll. :’(

Hedley

In that case put in a bid for the 320 and let us know how that turns out. Two separate companies, two separate seniority list, two separate contracts, but just one common owner. Endeavor is a significant part of the Delta operation, but until you can bid Delta equipment, you aren’t a Delta pilot. Again, not my fight, so have fun with your quest.

LizzyBorden

No need for me to bid for the 320. Sorry, the CRJ fleet is by definition Delta equipment, as they own it. Once again, try all the word salad you want to try and obscure the facts, but they are not going to change.

Tropical

You mean like they did to Comair and ASA? When they shut them down, took the planes and gave them to other regionals? The pilots all lost their jobs.

What's old is new again. Hearing senior lifers at Endeavor make these sweeping predictions reminds me of the senior lifers at Comair and ASA who were sure they were going to be walk up 767 captains. They got nothing. So will you.

The biggest impediment to a staple job is the fact that Endeavor being a different certificate, Delta would have to run every Endeavor pilot through indoc and sim training to do things "the Delta way" on the Delta certificate. That's an FAA requirement. Delta doesn't have the training capacity for that, and won't for a long time. And why would they bother? They can just hire off the street and get the pilots without having to park the RJs for an unknown period of time while the Endeavor pilots are training. Meter them you say. Why? They could just hire new pilots instead and not have a seniority quagmire. Also, with a staple you'd get DUI Dan, the 30 year Express I/Pinnacle/Endeavor pilot who couldn't ever get hired anywhere, turned down the flow because of golden handcuffs, and is now looking for a life boat. I'm sure he'll be a joy in the sim.

No, most likely, Delta will continue to contract out the RJ flying as long as they can. They'll continue to take the profitable routes to mainline with 717s and 220s. When the regionals are no longer viable, they'll shut them down and give the pilots some sort of preferential interview. The CRJs are getting long in the tooth anyhow, even the late model 900s.

One last thought - a staple job would require negotiating an LOA which must go to MEMRAT. I don't see the Delta pilots approving that since half the seniority list spent a decade at the regionals and want nothing to do with flying a beat up CR9 for less money than a 717 and overnighting in Valdosta or Dothan after a 5-7 leg day again.

Excargodog

Don’t forget Compass. Came over to Delta with the NWA merger. Didn’t keep Delta from eventually selling them off to Hulas though. Of corse that was in the distant past. Not quite 13 years ago.