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04-02-2023, 06:11 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Not correct, look at EDV. They needed ALPA to agree in an LOA to offer longevity credit for pay, if that’s what you’re talking about. No airline with a CBA can just say “yeah new guys are coming on at X years”.
Not sure what exactly you mean. Endeavor doesn’t have any LOA regarding longevity (unless you are referring to us meeting longevity of new hire pilots previous 121 time, which has nothing to do with DALPA. And longevity and seniority are 2 different things. I’m saying Delta could offer advance seniority to EDV pilots (not necessarily longevity) at any point they choose.
04-02-2023, 06:31 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Some revisionist history there. Yes, Delta never got over the strike, and yes, our MEC pi$sed DALPA off by stupidly trying to use the furloughs as negotiating fodder, but Comair's fate was sealed the day Delta bought us.
In ASA, Delta bought a screwed up feeder in order to control it and fix it. 80% of ASA's passengers connected to Delta in ATL and DFW. In Comair, Delta bought out a competitor. 80% of the passengers who rode into CVG on a Comair plane, rode out on a Comair plane. We were in talks to buy Spirit and become a stand alone airline. Delta wasn't having that. That's the reason we were slowly bled to death. The strike was just the final nail in the coffin.
You are correct however about the uppity individuals who demanded an SLI. I remember attending RJDC meetings and hearing Dan Ford and friends rant about all the same rants I hear Lizzy and overqualified make. It was embarrassing. Didn't turn out so hot either.
In ASA, Delta bought a screwed up feeder in order to control it and fix it. 80% of ASA's passengers connected to Delta in ATL and DFW. In Comair, Delta bought out a competitor. 80% of the passengers who rode into CVG on a Comair plane, rode out on a Comair plane. We were in talks to buy Spirit and become a stand alone airline. Delta wasn't having that. That's the reason we were slowly bled to death. The strike was just the final nail in the coffin.
You are correct however about the uppity individuals who demanded an SLI. I remember attending RJDC meetings and hearing Dan Ford and friends rant about all the same rants I hear Lizzy and overqualified make. It was embarrassing. Didn't turn out so hot either.
04-02-2023, 07:10 PM
#133
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Did you guys get it all out of your system yet? Today is longevity, SLI’s blah blah blah. Tomorrow it will be about you’re all basically Delta pilots blah blah blah. Tuesday it will be about the other DCI’s can’t handle the same flying you can’t handle so the only logical decision for Delta would be longevity for all Endeavors pilots and cancel contracts with their other contract partners (lol) blah blah blah.
5 years from now you’ll all be Endeavor Air pilots or flowed to Delta Air Lines. Of course, if you go by lizzy’s statements you’re all Delta pilots who flowed to…. Delta? 🤔🤔🤔
Unless of course you decide to make an effort to move on to better opportunities. Other than that it’s just wishful thinking and bold claims trying to convince a very small crowd you’re basically Delta pilots.
I’d tell you to save the venting for your therapists but this is pure entertainment so keep it going.
5 years from now you’ll all be Endeavor Air pilots or flowed to Delta Air Lines. Of course, if you go by lizzy’s statements you’re all Delta pilots who flowed to…. Delta? 🤔🤔🤔
Unless of course you decide to make an effort to move on to better opportunities. Other than that it’s just wishful thinking and bold claims trying to convince a very small crowd you’re basically Delta pilots.
I’d tell you to save the venting for your therapists but this is pure entertainment so keep it going.
04-03-2023, 04:27 AM
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04-03-2023, 06:08 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Merger confirmed: Endeavor merger
bit late for April fools, don’t you think?
04-03-2023, 11:17 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Merger confirmed: Endeavor merger
04-03-2023, 01:23 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
This same argument was made by Comair pilots in 2003, except it was Leo Mullin, not Ed Bastian. Didn't work then, won't work now. You work for a wholly owned subsidiary and your org chart ends at Jim Graham. Not Ed Bastian. That's intentional, btw.
I don't work for Delta. I have no skin in the game except to save a bunch of younger pilots with no historical context from making the same mistakes we made.
No, that's actually not how it works.
So you do think "karma" will bless you and you'll leapfrog to a senior mainline Delta pilot because of your 30 years at Express I/Pinnacle/Endeavor. Good luck with that. Many thought that before you thought that too, and spent their late 50s unemployed.
Why do we keep bring up Comair? Are you dense? You were around. You know the story.
Both Comair and Endeavor were wholly owned subsidiaries.
Comair also had a lot of leverage. Thats why we went on strike for 89 days. We performed a huge carveout of Delta feeder flying and CVG was a very profitable base back then. It was only after our strike that the "portfolio concept" came about with overlapping carriers so that no one got an advantage.
Senior Comair pilots (and ASA) also got big egos and demanded seniority at mainline. Mainline pilots threw them out of the room at the 2000 and 2002 BOD meetings. Just like they will for you.
Face it. You're in a seniority grab. You honestly believe you should get something for your 30 years at NW Airlink and jump over people who have been at mainline for years. You will be aggressively swatted down if you persist, and you will take your brothers with you. Delta Airlines nor the Delta pilots need anything from you right now except to shut up and row in your RJ900. If you get too uppity, I assure you, the rug will be pulled out from under you.
All they have to do is shut you down, move the jets to mainline, hold a bid, and put newhire flows back on the jet (with senior Delta pilots in the left seat). They already have the pay rates.
I don't work for Delta. I have no skin in the game except to save a bunch of younger pilots with no historical context from making the same mistakes we made.
No, that's actually not how it works.
So you do think "karma" will bless you and you'll leapfrog to a senior mainline Delta pilot because of your 30 years at Express I/Pinnacle/Endeavor. Good luck with that. Many thought that before you thought that too, and spent their late 50s unemployed.
Why do we keep bring up Comair? Are you dense? You were around. You know the story.
Both Comair and Endeavor were wholly owned subsidiaries.
Comair also had a lot of leverage. Thats why we went on strike for 89 days. We performed a huge carveout of Delta feeder flying and CVG was a very profitable base back then. It was only after our strike that the "portfolio concept" came about with overlapping carriers so that no one got an advantage.
Senior Comair pilots (and ASA) also got big egos and demanded seniority at mainline. Mainline pilots threw them out of the room at the 2000 and 2002 BOD meetings. Just like they will for you.
Face it. You're in a seniority grab. You honestly believe you should get something for your 30 years at NW Airlink and jump over people who have been at mainline for years. You will be aggressively swatted down if you persist, and you will take your brothers with you. Delta Airlines nor the Delta pilots need anything from you right now except to shut up and row in your RJ900. If you get too uppity, I assure you, the rug will be pulled out from under you.
All they have to do is shut you down, move the jets to mainline, hold a bid, and put newhire flows back on the jet (with senior Delta pilots in the left seat). They already have the pay rates.
Both DL and END pilots end at Ed Bastian. Jim cannot do anything without the blessing of Ed, thus not making Jim the end of the line. Cut your losses and quit trying to disprove a solid fact.
You say I work for a wholly owned subsidiary? That's new...when was I hired?
04-03-2023, 01:28 PM
#140
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
Did you guys get it all out of your system yet? Today is longevity, SLI’s blah blah blah. Tomorrow it will be about you’re all basically Delta pilots blah blah blah. Tuesday it will be about the other DCI’s can’t handle the same flying you can’t handle so the only logical decision for Delta would be longevity for all Endeavors pilots and cancel contracts with their other contract partners (lol) blah blah blah.
5 years from now you’ll all be Endeavor Air pilots or flowed to Delta Air Lines. Of course, if you go by lizzy’s statements you’re all Delta pilots who flowed to…. Delta? 🤔🤔🤔
Unless of course you decide to make an effort to move on to better opportunities. Other than that it’s just wishful thinking and bold claims trying to convince a very small crowd you’re basically Delta pilots.
I’d tell you to save the venting for your therapists but this is pure entertainment so keep it going.
5 years from now you’ll all be Endeavor Air pilots or flowed to Delta Air Lines. Of course, if you go by lizzy’s statements you’re all Delta pilots who flowed to…. Delta? 🤔🤔🤔
Unless of course you decide to make an effort to move on to better opportunities. Other than that it’s just wishful thinking and bold claims trying to convince a very small crowd you’re basically Delta pilots.
I’d tell you to save the venting for your therapists but this is pure entertainment so keep it going.
Both Delta and Endeavor pilots org chart ends at Ed Bastian. I will keep saying this over and over, because it is fact. And when did I say I was a Delta pilot? When you make up stuff, any credibility you have is erased. Seems to be a lot of folks on here that claim stuff that is just made up. Its funny to watch.
