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03-20-2023, 07:18 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
That’s the point . Endeavor doesn’t sell tickets . It all comes from Delta . We all work for Delta . Where do you think our paychecks come from ? Endeavor does not make money . It’s just a name . We just have separate contracts . Just like “Song” didn’t sell tickets . You can’t outsource to something that you own . Now you can obviously “shift” things around to different assets within your company , but that’s not outsourcing. They have spent 500 million on trying to take care of the pilots on EDV seniority list cause they own it and feel the importance and need to do it. They haven’t spent one dime on solving Skywest or Republic staffing cause those are separate and outsourced companies that have to spend their own money .
And yeah, DL owns a chunk of Republic. So are they delta pilots?
03-20-2023, 07:18 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
That’s the point . Endeavor doesn’t sell tickets . It all comes from Delta . We all work for Delta . Where do you think our paychecks come from ? Endeavor does not make money . It’s just a name . We just have separate contracts . Just like “Song” didn’t sell tickets . You can’t outsource to something that you own . Now you can obviously “shift” things around to different assets within your company , but that’s not outsourcing. They have spent 500 million on trying to take care of the pilots on EDV seniority list cause they own it and feel the importance and need to do it. They haven’t spent one dime on solving Skywest or Republic staffing cause those are separate and outsourced companies that have to spend their own money .
03-20-2023, 07:19 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
You can’t outsource to something that you own . Now you can obviously “shift” things around to different assets within your company , but that’s not outsourcing.
Originally Posted by overqualified52
The pilots on EDV seniority list are owned and operated by Delta the same as the pilots on the Delta seniority list,
03-20-2023, 07:21 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Delta owns Endeavor. Endeavor Air and Delta Air Lines are not the same company. Delta does not operate Endeavor flights, thus the "operated by Endeavor Air" on the side of the plane.
03-20-2023, 08:06 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
Delta can own and run multiple certificates at once . The pilots on EDV seniority list are owned and operated by Delta the same as the pilots on the Delta seniority list, we just have two separate contracts. Delta doesn’t own and operate all other carriers . EDV is not an outsource. The Delta pilots , FA’s , etc. that were flying Delta aircraft with “Song” painted on a “ Delta” 757 and was on a separate certificate owned by Delta were not outsourced. Same situation as endeavor. I believe “Song” pilots had a different contract as well.
03-20-2023, 08:19 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The issue is stapling Endeavor would cause 3000+ training events that have to be completed in 6 months, that's a lot worse than ~100 or so pilots leaving 9E every month. If a staple is happening, it's at least 3 years or more away.
03-20-2023, 08:23 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Playing devils avocado. Couldn’t any LOA stapling endeavor also have the caveat of an equipment lock for a set period? Then you allow X per month to unlock. Those are all details that the folks sharper than me could figure out. Allow stapled guys to take an upgrade in the meantime on same equipment.
I was thinking the same thing, however I do think seniority/longevity is a ways away. Delta is simply meeting their needs by buying more 220s and bringing back more 717s to fill in for the regional shortfall and in the meantime they can afford to further shrink their regional feed.
03-20-2023, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Playing devils avocado. Couldn’t any LOA stapling endeavor also have the caveat of an equipment lock for a set period? Then you allow X per month to unlock. Those are all details that the folks sharper than me could figure out. Allow stapled guys to take an upgrade in the meantime on same equipment.
03-20-2023, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
They would immediately be under the Delta PWA when stapled, so would the aircraft, so that would be a concession of several sections on our part. Contractually, they have to add the CRJs first under an AE for all current Delta pilots. Say there was an LOA locking those pilots, it creates a seniority inversion.
03-20-2023, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Playing devils avocado. Couldn’t any LOA stapling endeavor also have the caveat of an equipment lock for a set period? Then you allow X per month to unlock. Those are all details that the folks sharper than me could figure out. Allow stapled guys to take an upgrade in the meantime on same equipment.
