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80ktsClamp 06-04-2013 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 1421972)
Shy- you offer nothing meaningful to the conversation. You are an idiot if you think that Colgan pilots deserved nothing because someone crashed an airplane.

I would argue after 3701 no Pinnacle Pilot had any career expecations either. No airframes had been added since that accident. Seriously what kind of an argument is that?

Shy's point isn't that good, however some history of your merger partner needs to be corrected:

Pinnacle continued to take deliveries of CRJ200s for over a year after the 3701 accident.

They got the contract to fly CRJ900s about a year and a half after the CRJ200 deliveries were completed.

Seggy 06-05-2013 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1422172)

Sounds eerily like Colgan 3407. And both CA's names were Marvin. What are the chances. Incompetent pilots should be weeded out, instead, ALPA protects them.

Explain how ALPA protected the Captain of the 3407 Accident (kinda tough to do as ALPA was only on property for a handful of weeks prior to the accident)?

ALPA doesn't protect incompetent pilots, it protects pilots from incompetent management who can't follow a process.

cencal83406 06-05-2013 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1422172)
That was long before it was Pinnacle. Was that Express I? I assume so. 1991 was a long time ago. How big was Express I back then? What kind of operations was it doing?



Sounds eerily like Colgan 3407. And both CA's names were Marvin. What are the chances. Incompetent pilots should be weeded out, instead, ALPA protects them.

Man, MA, it's always someone else's fault. Number one, a name change doesn't change the fact that the airline has killed passengers in the past - and oh by the way in 1991 it was doing the same operation as it is doing today - flying feeder work for a major. Potentially the only difference being 135 carrier vs 121. Don't know for sure though. Fact is, you went to an airline with an accident history. You are lucky they weren't shut down, otherwise you wouldn't have had a JetU to go to to learn new hire ground school at a slower rate.

And what's this about "protecting pilots"? And not ratting them out? I'm pretty sure you used to brag on airlink about being allowed to do certain things when you were an FO, that most of the rest of us would just look at our FOM and think, well, says I can't do it. I'm totally the pot here, but you are no angel when it comes to doing things that might have needed ALPA protection.

SmitteyB 06-05-2013 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1422201)
Shy's point isn't that good, however some history of your merger partner needs to be corrected:

Pinnacle continued to take deliveries of CRJ200s for over a year after the 3701 accident.

They got the contract to fly CRJ900s about a year and a half after the CRJ200 deliveries were completed.

Thank you for clearing that up. I was completely aware of the EDC-financed 900s, but did not know that -200s kept coming. I stand corrected.

SmitteyB 06-05-2013 05:54 AM

Shy- btw Monteleon was a trouble maker at the FAA who was suspended and possibly fired for some of the things he was doing or not doing in his job. I believe some of the things he said, but to give him an open mic would be foolish. Just as most of your arguments go over people's heads because your reputation.

Monteleon isn't as clean as you think.

And B Coates is a liar. It was one pilots word against another. A loser vs. one of the most competent, smartest, best pilots I have ever flown with.

Noseeums 06-05-2013 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1422307)
ALPA doesn't protect incompetent pilots, it protects pilots from incompetent management who can't follow a process.

lol rrrrright

ShyGuy 06-05-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1422308)
Number one, a name change doesn't change the fact that the airline has killed passengers in the past

It kinda does. See www.valujet.com


And what's this about "protecting pilots"? And not ratting them out? I'm pretty sure you used to brag on airlink about being allowed to do certain things when you were an FO, that most of the rest of us would just look at our FOM and think, well, says I can't do it. I'm totally the pot here, but you are no angel when it comes to doing things that might have needed ALPA protection.
What are you talking about? What illegal things do you claim I did and bragged about?

mooney 06-05-2013 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1422307)

ALPA doesn't protect incompetent pilots, it protects pilots from incompetent management who can't follow a process.


did you see how many people got their jobs back because of ALPA during the SLI? Some of those guys have ZERO business being in an airplane or just being an employee anywhere.

ShyGuy 06-05-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1422523)
did you see how many people got their jobs back because of ALPA during the SLI? Some of those guys have ZERO business being in an airplane or just being an employee anywhere.

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!

80ktsClamp 06-05-2013 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1422570)
+1!!!!!!!!!!!!


First off, it would be interesting to know the details of what mooney stated.

Secondly, seeing your post, I need to remind you of your party foul. ;)

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