I blame Shy Guy. Had he not taken so long to predict what was coming, I would have not went to Mesaba.

If I didn't, it's not like you'd actually send me a check for $100.

LOL! :D

Are they SURE about this?:cool:

Why don't you pick up the phone and or meet JH (or any member of the ISL team) and actually talk to them, one on one, about what really happened during the process, instead of jumping on the crew room/internet info bandwagon? It will probably be a good experience for you. It was for me. Lots of info, you will see why they did what they did vs having Shy tell you why they did it :) You do realize that doing it their way saved the seniority of the majority of the 9e group, especially mid level guys, vs the XJ or 9L way? It did not just help the senior as some of you so hope to believe. They knew lots of info you didn't.

No, but 9E pilots will now be cockier than ever thinking they fly space shuttles.

By choice, and at least you upgraded.

They are also changing our call sign to "Armstrong" since GoJetsss has Lindbergh.

Yay!!!!!!

I no longer work for Pinnacle!!!!!!!

Congrats, where are you off to?

How many colgan captains are there presently farm boi?

Too many

Actually there are too many. The 9L group is not included in any ratio yet has CA spots despite other groups not meeting their quota or allotment of CA spots. This was because in the last displacement, the company elected to hold a lot of the displacements to FO to prevent more training events.

yes it was :P

raise your hand if you are ;)

He is off to Endeavor.

You mean like walking in to the SLI negotiation with a notepad vs reams of data that XJ had. Yeah, smart guys. They were bested before it even started. Why do you bother asking them - talk to the other folks who were in negotiations against them how terribly prepared they were. JH is a grade A d-nozzle. He fought for the top 300. That's it. That's why we haven't upgraded, not because of XJ or 9L guys. 5+ year FOs have JH and gang to thank. But, I would never ever take it out on fellow crew from our pre-merger airlines because they had no hand in the SLI.

6 year former XJ FO, I haven't been able to upgrade either.

Same here. I am closer to the bottom then I am to upgrade. But it is what it is. I am not going to hold a grudge against any other pilot unless you try to rub it in my face.

Just Proved my point. You can't let go you sad little boy.

No, you'd never pay the $100. So it didnt matter.

Yep.

You got it.

do the math, I believe you are a DOH preachee. See how many 9e guys would be worse off with DOH or with relative. Cencal, you'd have BUTTLOADS of 10-11 year XJ guys that got royally shafted and are near your seniority or junior to you, absolutely senior to you. Like I said, talk to them in person. Not a cousin of a friend of Wychor or Wychor himself. OR just look at XJ's massively senior DOH and you do the math. What JH did benefitted MORE 9e guys than DOH or relative.

I think you'd be surprised. There's a boatload in the schoolhouse right now.

I won't lie. I'm a 04-'07 Colgan hire. I'm a CA. And by the SLI there are not only '05 Mesaba CAs surrounding my seniority, but also '07 legacy pinnacle FOs that are 500 junior to me. Is it fair? HELL NO!!!

I'm writing this only to correct from a factual standpoint. 9E guys would have been better off with DOH, because the XJ version of DOH did not have the quotas/restrictions that the Bloch award put out. DOH would have been better, with people bidding what they could hold without regards to quotas. Yes XJ had tons of pilots in the 10-11 year mark, and guess what, I'd have no qualms about them being senior because they were hired first. For regionals, DOH is the fairest you can get. Instead of this POS Bloch award where some Colgan pilot named Nikolai born in '88 and hired in early '08 gets to be approx 1350ish out of nearly 3000 when the list came out. That's a bunch of BS and a windfall for Colgan. Not to mention, as the Colgan guys came from the Q props (which if you recall during SLI, many of them said they had no interest in the jets - they lied and went for the money grab), they were replaced by other Colgan pilots because of the 193 quota. Only a very small portion of XJ/9E pilots got awarded a Q, and those you could count on with probably one hand. Mooney, at the regional level, you can understand that DOH is fair. If tomorrow a XJ pilot hired in 2006 gets an upgrade, you can't really flip out or get upset as a 2007 DOH pilot. That is the seniority based system, he was hired first. Yeah, yeah I know seniority shouldn't be confused with longevity, but don't throw longevity in an argument when their airline doesn't even exist today. Most pilots that are upset at the Bloch award are upset because pilots physically junior to them are holding positions far better than they can, and the quotas only make it worse. I did the math in my own position for DOH versus what the bloch award was. DOH would have been slightly better, but the biggest gain would be the fairness in it all with no silly quotas or restrictions.

As for Hunta, I talked to him on the phone. His own words were that the -900 category was 'our worst case scenario.' You have to ask yourself, whose worst scenario? Certainly not mine. His actions proved that he was interested in preserving only the senior side, and even he failed once Bloch gave the -900 its own category. I used to be a hothead against Mesaba when the dispute was filed, until one XJ pilot actually sent me the email chain between the 9E/XJ/9L group and Bloch in regards to the SLI class date vs DOH issue. All I will say is that the XJ group was factual and 9E guys were full of crap. I was assured by Hunta that the class date issue was already addressed and fixed, yet, in that email chain, Bloch's response was (and I quote): 'John, can you clarify this for me.' It proved Bloch was clueless and the class date vs DOH was NEVER fixed as it should have been. The Mesaba dispute was therefore legitimate. The 9E team was unprepared and incompetent.

Do you just copy and paste the same thing over and over?

Not quite, there were a lot more Colgan guys that went ahead in seniority than XJ guys who got shafted because of the category distribution. The snapshot method in determining the category distributions Bloch used was a total fraud on the pilot group here. DOH would have prevented this mess, as Pinnacle was way understaffed when the snapshot was taken. To add insult to injury, Colgan's snapshot was taken, not in the present like the other two airlines, but at some fantasy future state that never existed. As a result, 250+ Pinnacle pilots lost out on their chance to upgrade in the past two years.

WAHHH!!!

All PNCL (ENDVR) pilots need to grow up and leave it at the main cabin door.

Congrats on your escape. Who do you fly for?

It's time to let it go. It won't change and the continued animosity between the pilot groups only hurts us all.

The only people who need to let it go are pre merger 9E guys who think they got screwed by a) Mesaba pilots, b) Colgan pilots, c) Bloch.

That's the Endeavor.

It's really hard to let it go when these guys in the left seat have no idea what they are doing. You're sitting there with 5k plus hours in the seat and the guy next to you had so much trouble that he had 150 hrs of OE... It's not easy guys and those of you that say let it go must be gone or it didn't hurt your chances. Now on top of that we are capped at 4 year pay while a guy 2 years jr to us is still getting raises.

Or you could be a 06 hire Capt watching a 09 hire capt get weekends off when you have been on reserve for ever.

I'm not sure what's more embarrassing: the new name, or the fact that this thread devolved into a 9E/9L/XJ seniority integration b!tchfest in just a few pages.

Endeavor? Really?

Have they un-done it yet? At least xjet admitted their mistake.

That tool shed is still around? I feel bad for the FO's that have to fly with him..can't wait till some senior 9E FO makes him cry (if they haven't already)

We're all one big happy family now with new names to boot! Now let's join hands around the dinner table and move forward...some lost a bit, some gained a bit. Happy for those that gained from the blend and sucks for those that lost...let's move on. The guy sitting next to you had either little or nothing to do with it. Enjoy the ride!

Any clue how many though? Seems like attrition has been high, just curious how many 9L guys are actually in the left seat. 150? 200?

09 hire captains? Where do u get ur info?

no idea. I'll let a disgruntled SLI guy with too much time on his hands figure that one out. :) Or Shy :D

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