You never responded to my previous post on how ALPA protected the Captain of 3407 in your mind.

Maybe not him specifically, but I said ALPA protects incompetent pilots and gives them more chances. I've seen guys sit in sims for a 2nd and 3rd chance because the pilot claimed someone was out to get them. Some people who shouldn't be flying at all are protected by ALPA. Remember 9E infamous MC? He should have been fired long ago. He was finally let go, but ALPA saved him a couple times.

Sorry to break up the SLI gripes....
 

When is Pinnacle/Endeavor going to start picking up the MSP flying being the HQ was moved? Seems like it's mostly Skywest now (at least on my commute).

Of course I can not prove it because the old airlink forum was removed by MEC Chair CS, but, you did write on there at some point that you were allowed to land at flaps 0. Water under the bridge. It's not like you could get in trouble at this point anyway. Just make sure you have your facts straight before you go bashing other pilot groups for an arbitrated decision and then backpedal using fatal accidents as some sort of heinous barometer that says they are worse than someone else.

Can I start with an easy one: are you MA from DTW 200? Are you also known as cherokee_cruiser on "that other forum"?

80: flaps fails at 0 are not an emergency item. The FAA came down hard on us for declaring every time, so we have been highly discouraged from doing so. Better still, since no FOs prior to 2012 had performed an evaluated or even "extra time" maneuver in the sim known as flaps 0 landing, what CAs in their right mind would allow the FO to land to "gain experience", especially considering something a lot less nefarious - contaminated runway landings, are specifically CA only "no matter what" at SWOA. Even after these FOs have been in the seat 5+ years.

Yup. Thats him

If you are that upset about it, why don't you marry your sister and drive your tractor for a living?

Or try FarmersOnly.com (yes, it's a real dating site).

Not to distract from the sli bashing, but the talk of non_normal landings has me wondering: since in the CRM classes I have attended it has been noted that bad things hapoen three times as often when the ca is pf, wouldn't it be wiser to have the fo flying? Just an armchair question.

Feel free to return to sli bashing. Bonus points for calling Colgan a bottom feeder.

He is too cheap to tip the van driver yet alone take a woman out on a date.

WOW! ........

Sing along now, "I've got a brand new combine harvester and i'll give you the key!"

Are people still upset about the Bloch award and blaming Colgan pilots for it? Really?
Some of the pilots at Pinch a Nickel got a raw deal, theres no question, but blaming the Colgan pilot group is barking up the wrong tree.

Its getting old John Deer.

I have never landed flaps 0. EVER. Get that through your head. And I remember what I write, I have NEVER written what you claim. You are a liar, arguing with a FALSE claim.

I was talking about Farmer. He was one of the biggest advocates trying to justify why it's ok to stiff the old lady driving the van who loads and unloads his bags.

Lol at the site. You have to be kidding?
And I almost forgot about the van driver discussion. Yeah I don't tip if I am at work unless they drive me somewhere. Mostly because getting cash is a pia. Also we are on company time they should pay.
You have a good memory.

Well if I'm wrong about that, I was smoking some serious crack I guess. But you are pretty upset about something you claim to have not done. If you did not write that, why are you so bothered?

Will you at least man up to being MA? Everyone knows.

I don't confirm or deny online identities. But that story is entirely made-up, or you have me confused with someone else. I still can't imagine anyone doing flaps 0 landing just for the heck of it. Abnormal/flap fail scenario only. Not really upset, but this is the second accusation (first one being I hate and/or don't support troops?!). I mean where do people come up with this stuff.

It is obvious since he posted on airlink some crap like 50.....40.....30.....20 Retard then a Virgin airbus pic when he got the job. Who talks too much about virgin? Shy

They do, it is called per diem.

^^^^^ That ^^^^^

MrMustache, joined May 2013 and 45 posts already with deep knowledge about me already. Gee, what screenname did you give up? Could it be when I called out Munkybuttr who coincidentally hasn't posted since Apr 24?

Nah, I'm sure that's just a coincidence...

Tipping van drivers who do extra makes sense. What's extra?

Hotel van/shuttle drivers are often paid below minimum wage. It's completely legal. It is customary to tip a minimum of $1 per piece of luggage that they handle.

If hotel drivers are paid less than minimum wage it is not the responsibility of the hotel customer to subsidize this. If people stop taking those jobs they will raise the compensation. Tipping in this country is out of control. Tipping is a gesture of appreciation for service above and beyond the ordinary. There should not be a system in place where a minimum tip is expected.

This ^
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I do tip on the average of 6 bucks a week. Times that by 48, that's 288.00 a year I could put in my kids college fund. But after a long hot day and the van is waiting for you with the air conditioning on, the buck tip seems rather small.

^^^^^ This

When you're a regional FO $288 is almost a week's pay. I understand your perspective but it's their job to be there with the AC or heat running. If they're not there right away do you not tip?

At what airline?

Most.
$23hr x 75 hours = $1725

$1725/4 = $431

$431 after taxes is about $300

Well, the accusation was more that you seemed to have claimed that a CA allowed you to perform an abnormal landing. Of course, I can't prove it. So it clearly didn't happen. Just not a good idea to post that kind of stuff on a forum specifically monitored by manglement and with names next to it. So you probably didn't.

You should really drop the SLI hate though. We don't need that crap here anymore.

It is not coming out of your take home pay, it is coming out of your per diem. Two seperate things.

Pinnacle=Endeavor Air
 

Someone explain to me how we will all have jobs at Delta within 5 years. I missed the conference call.

First year's pay is a struggle. Per diem barely covers food if you don't pack a cooler. Also tell that to the FA's making $17 an hour. I'm just saying we shouldn't be expected to "give away" money. I'm not criticizing people who tip, just the expectation of one.

Why not tip the cashier at the supermarket, or the drive thru people at McDonalds or the FO on your flight? What determines who gets a tip and who doesn't? I'm just tired of subsidizing specific people's salary while their bosses who can afford it don't.

Back on topic though. Stop bashing each other. The SLI is what it is and they are never going to please everyone. To take that out on each other is illogical since no one here had a say in it. Fly safe and move on when you can.

And by that logic if people stop taking regional airline pilot jobs we'd have wages good enough to provide more than a mud hut somewhere down in the dumbest section of the southeast. Also you'd probably be less inclined to dream up "the way things ought to be" and just let go of $2/day for van drivers. That $40/night your company pays the hotel isn't paying for anything besides the worst room next to the elevator.

Welcome to reality. If you don't want to tip that's your call, but there's no excuse not to tip someone that is working for them. Visit a country where tipping is not customary like Japan. You pay more for a service/product because they're paid more. You can't have it both ways.

A tip is earned, it never should be expected.

If you want to go away from many years of airline tradition, yes.

Otherwise, tip your van driver.

Tradition? When will that apply to our pay?

I haven't been doing this for that long but long enough to know that you guys who don't tip the van drivers are the ones who get all prissy when they aren't there IMMEDIATELY when you walk outside, ***** and moan about your pay and how you are broke for four days straight, and are constantly talking about how you need to be paid more.

Karma is a powerful thing. Maybe if you tip the van driver properly, karma will find its way to you and you can start getting more in your W-2s.

Yeah Karma will pay the bills.
I haven't been doing this long either but enough to know that everyone complains when the van isn't there when it's supposed to. See I can make general statements too. It's their job to be there. That's like me expecting a tip from the passengers for providing safe on-time service. Please explain the difference.
BTW I always tip when I have change and never complain. Just don't think I should feel guilty not tipping.

If Karma is going to increase my pay I should hand out dollar bills to every person I see on a street corner looking for a hand out.

I tip 95% of the time. But if they are texting or talking on a cell phone and driving me no dollar, if they just sit in the van and I load my own bags no dollar. They pretty much can do anything else and they get the token dollar.