OMG 80 please tell me you did not just tell a Compass pilot he was not mainline!!!!!!!!!!! You tryin to start a jumpseat war or something????

I do that to screw with Delta mainline guys. I'm sure there's a few of them whose blood pressure ticks up a few points when they see it.

My only point in my previous comment was this: for an airline that so many people have preconceived notions about (founded or not), aggressively talking about and taking extreme stances on something as simple as tipping might give mainline guys pause as to whether or not a trip with you would be enjoyable. Personally, I would worry that you would spend all 4 days treating van drivers and wait staff poorly, which would make for unconformable meals and van rides.

Mooney - I didn't come to CPZ because I'm a NWA/Delta blowhard (I'm actually quite the opposite) nor do I (or anyone I can think of) think we're mainline pilots. Far from it. I needed a job after airline #1 failed on me, and CPZ was exactly that. No jumpseat war needed, even though the Delta guys refuse to reciprocate our F/A jumpseat agreement with them - leading to the end of that program on our end.

Pretty sure the 9E dingleberries on the line are the ones who think their mainline nowadays, because their " the chosen ones".:rolleyes:

Haha a self-hatin' 9E pilot

As already stated, I have never landed flaps 0. No one would do that "just because." Obviously it has to be an abnormal/flaps fail situation to land at flaps 0. I don't know how it is now, but when I was at 9E, in the flaps 0 profile, the very last portion of the profile was at 60 kts "CA - I have control. FO - You have control. If FO landing" So that shows that it is ok in an abnormal situation for a FO to land at flaps 0, and not just a Captain-only landing. But again, I never landed flaps 0. Just make sure you know the profile before you bash someone for something they never did to begin with.

"fatal accidents as some sort of heinous barometer that says they are worse than someone else"

No, what I said was nearly all of those regional airlines cease to exist after a fatal passenger death crash. Regions/Corporate Air, Air Midwest, Colgan, Chalks Ocean Airways. There is no denying that after the Colgan crash, the Colgan name had to go. Ocean Chalk airways was the oldest airline among the regionals to be in service but once the fatal crash happened in 2005, that airline was done for and shut down. It's not a matter of being worse than someone else, it's just looking at past history to see what happens to regional airlines when they have a big fatal passenger crash. Either the name disappears/changes, or the airline itself ceases to exist. This *fact* should have been accounted for in "career expectations." But anyway, like you said, what's done is done and is all water under the bridge.

When has any CPZ pilot tried to argue that they are mainline? I sure haven't met any that have done so.

The jackets they wear are one breast below mainline. ;)

they're** ;)

Our new uniforms appear to be double breasted.

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Cute coming from the former Mesa guy.

I know, I realized that after I could edit it. Still true though :)

Don't like my pedigree? I think most of the Mesa hate is/was directed at the management team there, not the pilots (who voted in a concessionary contract to eliminate an alter ego carrier).

It took a certain type of person to make it through the hell that was employment there. Most of us have found new jobs, so we all must not be too abhorrent. YMMV.

Ah, but he's bigtime now, kinda like Shy.

Since when is CPZ bigtime? Are those upside down epaulets getting itchy?

53 airplanes is bigtime? Delta/American/United would be bigtime.

Yes there is. Outside of regional pilots and people in Buffalo, no one knew the Colgan name, even post crash. Hell, most of the times I jumpseated on mainline those guys hadn't even heard of Colgan. It did not carry the baggage that you are stating.

Don't insult the compass "transitional" jet pilots please. Remember the engines are below the wing.

I'm a Saab guy, I know how to wear epaulettes.

And he's bigtime alright, just ask him.

Shy, you gonna cry when the first 9L pilot transitions to DAL?

Don't be surprised if the flow/SSP mysteriously ends before that happens.....

Not really. But you shouldn't exactly put your eggs in the SSP basket.

Don't worry about my eggs, I'm more worried about your fragile feelings on the subject.

but.... hubba hubba!

http://luxgetaway.com/wp-content/gal...form-pilot.jpg

Lol.

Made me spit my dinner out of my mouth because of laughing!

Be careful everyone. The IRS, CIA, NSA, NSC, DOD, TSA, and a dozen other three letter agencies are probably reading everything we post. Doesn't it make you feel good that we are driving some low level civil servant monitors "out of their gourds" reading all this "intellectual discourse." They will eventually collect compensation for PTSD.

Let me start with: if companies get shut down from fatal accidents, why has Pinnacle been so lucky? Remember, Express II in Hibbing. That was us. You might have to go back as far as Hyde to find out about that CA though.

Next: if 0 flaps is not "CA only", which I will concede up to the point of, it's not specifically prohibited, why were we then not trained on it? If we aren't trained, what CA in their right mind allows a guy to do it? Can you imagine the fallout if a CA allows an FO prior to 2012 to 0 flap, FO goes off side, and media reveals no training whatsoever for 0 flap landings?

Finally: I acknowledge that you, ShyGuy, have not done a 0 flap landing. However, there is some tool bag, who used to work for Pinnacle, got a job at Virgin, and posted as "MA" on airlink, who wrote on a post there that he had 0 flap landed. Sorry I confused you with him. If you ever see him around the halls at Virgin America, ask why the heck he's so butthurt about a 3rd party arbitrated list at a company he doesn't work for any longer.

No hard feelings bro - sorry for thinking you were that loser!

Hahaha that uniform changed. Notice the armpit area, there was no way to reach up to the overhead panel without eventually ripping the shirt. That changed with the new shirt. The epaulettes changed too, with no red and just a silver shinning/reflective surface on black background. The new uniform is much better than the one pictured.

I already posted about the accident Captain. Express I had the accident, and it did survive (that's why I didn't say all reigonals, but most).

Trained? It's a requirement for a type ride and that's why Captains do it. If it wasn't required, it wouldn't be done. So just because you haven't trained in the sim for a flaps 0, or a flaps 8, or a flaps 30 landing, means you can't do one? The media is going to fry you no matter what. They will say that the pilot didn't land the plane, a second backup pilot tried to land.

That guy never posted anything about a flaps zero landing, nor did he do a flaps 0 landing ever.

How can you claim forsure that someone who is "not" yourself did or did not post something? :D

"So there I was, landing flaps 0, and I was like 'I can't wait to post about this on airlinkpilots!'"

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This thread is like a runaway beer truck, careening downhill, out of control. Cannot be stopped! Will not be stopped!

I wish pilots weren't so damn cool.

I seem to recall Delta awarding 900s to Pinnacle the same day Comair emerged from bankruptcy.

Wound, meet salt.

MrMustache = MunkyButtr

It's also really cool listening to an 11 year captain complain about how he just took a big pay cut and can't afford to keep his boat docked in the marina, can't drive his new 2012 Ford F150 around town as much,can't remodel his 4,000 square foot house, and has to rethink paying $50 a month to park in the cover parking at the airport all while talking on his new iPhone 5 and putting away his $1,200 Bose Aviation headset. It's all relative. It's possible that iPhones and Bose headsets were gifts from relatives. My Bose QC 15 set was a Christmas/birthday present from my sisters. I'm an FO and I didn't spend money on those things because I can't afford them. I still live in an apartment and have an old car that hardly runs and I park in the free parking lot and take the bus like most FOs.

Thats because you boys are marrying the first broke FA that bats her eyes at you.... Marry rich...problem solved...I'm tired of hearing you complain, so there.

This.

My wife makes what I hope to make after upgrading at Delta. Problem solved.

This is the way to do it. The misses doesnt make that much but it sure is alotttt more than what I make. She just got a new job with a good 15-20k raise too :D

Nope... Good deflection though. I am myself, just know you from Airlink.

Now that yet another Pinnacle thread has turned into how much everyone hates Colgan and ShyGuy can we throw some real questions out there?

Is this Navy and Gray uniform thing real? I also hear a hat will be worn.

Anyone seen these uniforms or have any info on this?

Also heard an LAX base could be coming up soon on the 200 side.
I've got no first hand knowledge on any of this just heard it in passing.
I'm not a west coast guy so I could careless about LAX, just something I've heard.

Hats are not required per the contract so lets hope it stays that way. Nothing worse looking than a silly pilot hat...