Slats

Umm, you do realize that we don't just fly Delta, right? Therefore, while we MAY have to be the 2nd lowest doesnt necessarily mean we will be paid like 9E. We provide lift for United, Alaska, Airways along with American and the reset, I think is 2017. The cost reset doesn't necessarily mean pilot salary either. It's cost to run a segment. Yes pilot costs are a big part but so is MX and ground personnel.

johnso29

Yup. I'm well aware of whom Skywest flies for. But JA is well aware of how Skywest's higher costs are making it more difficult for Skywest to make money. He has stated this publicly multiple times. The lower costs of RAH, GoJet, Pinnacle, & soon to be Eagle will continue to squeeze Skywest's profit margin. And the "2nd lowest cost" clause is not a MAY have to. It is a definite.

dingo222

i cant wait until mesa sucks again

Slats

Biggest thing with SKW is we're making money and keeping XJT above water while they're consistently in the red. I think if things don't change over at XJT, JA will dump'em...

Pilots are our own worst enemy. Pinnacle
Didn't stand their ground. We need to start holding the line. The regionals will
feel the sting of a pilot shortage and we as pilots will have the upper hand for bargaining. Management knows this, and that's why they want to get compensation As low as possible before the bargaining power shifts. After all, if the pilots leave due to low pay decrease in QOL ect... The regional will be forced to offer pay above standards just to retain and lure the limited amount of qualified applicants in.

Al Czervik

Slats- you are a bitter dude for some reason. You do bring up an interesting situation. Classically, SKYW management has looked out for their pilots. You have a lot of "company first" pilots over there. It has been a very good thing over the years. It has been for the most part.. A mutual looking relationship to an outsider. These next few months/years will be interesting to watch and see where this relationship goes for you guys. Hope it works out well for all of you. Do yourself a favor though... Move on and leave pinnacle in your past. You're gonna blow a gasket.

ShyGuy

I know. Pinnacle pilots don't know the stand their ground law.


Bargaining at a regional usually involves securing things for the top side only. The junior side is always screwed. 9E is in its current position today due to the negotiations of TW's gang in the 9E union directly with Delta management, with no DALPA involvement. The SSP is to secure jobs for the top 500-600 9E pilots, and the payout money was added to get the FOs to pass the crap deal. Otherwise, what FO would vote to cap his wage at 37/hr when he can make more than that his 2nd year at SkyWest, XJT, Eagle.

The yes vote wasn't necessary, considering the shortage of regional applicants today and in the future. The pilot shortage will not be at the mainline level, it will be at the regional level where no one is going to work for concessionary wages when they have an ATP and 1500 hrs+. The ball was in their corner and they voted it away.

bonesbrigade

Why would we ruin our lives to help you out when you are so ungrateful as it is?
And our contract is not as bad as you think.

Slats

Ungrateful??? What exactly has Pinnae done that I should be grateful for?

Ruin your lives? If you're an FO you ruined your own life. The SSP does not benefit you, you WILL be out of a job once those 200s go bye bye, and you're capped at a very low pay rate. Your contracted pay rates are what is being pitched as the new norm and it's ****ing off a lot guys at good regionals with decent payrates. You all trembled in front of BIG D even though everyone from the outside new Delta wouldn't close your doors. They couldn't for a min of 3-4yrs because that's a lot of flying to be shifted. But hey in that time frame you'll be out of a job because the 200s will be gone. Your ALPA reps sold the junior pilots down river protecting the top 10%.

Every single pilot talks about holding the line, pay rates need to be improved ect... Then 9E had the chance to make a stand but instead pansied out. Eagle took concessions but their pay is still better than yours. I can promise you SKW, Air Whisky, Horizon, Eagle and XJT will not vote like you all did. Will concessions happen? Probably but the compensation will not mirror your pathetic contract.

So again, why should I be grateful?

Slats

Double post.......

Jamers

Some of you guys really don't understand the bankruptcy process. We were not negotiating concessions just because the company came to us and wanted pay rates like gojets. There was no NMB to arbitrate the terms. All of this was MANDATED by the bankruptcy court. The fact that the judge initially sided with the pilot group was a significant win for the Pinnacle MEC. It allowed us to have a little say in how the cuts would take place, otherwise they could have imposed something much worse (we still have the majority of our JCBA intact).

It's not a good situation. But until your companies file bankruptcy and force your hand, you have much more leverage. Some argue Delta would have never shut Pinnacle down for whipsaw purposes, but shutting the place down would have sent a much louder message to the other DCI carriers.