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Bartok 10-29-2013 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by MARX (Post 1509493)
Apparently the slight expansion followed by the "purging of the majority of the 200 fleet" has made recruiting VERY difficult. Being vague about the actual number of 200s leaving is both a recruiting tool, and a morale tool.

Mostly a whipsaw tool.

Will 10-29-2013 08:07 AM

The words they used in the business update were pretty vague. If I was looking to get hired on at a regional I would need something more definitive. When they can't fill classes which I don't think at this point they can things will change. Maybe then a wind down date will be given or a true flow through will be offered. It costs Delta nothing to offer a flow in fact it saves them money by not having to interview as many people. Having to shut us down because of staffing does cost them money because the lift we provide will be more expensive, hence costing them money. And it's all about the money.

WIPilot 10-29-2013 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1509532)
The words they used in the business update were pretty vague. If I was looking to get hired on at a regional I would need something more definitive. When they can't fill classes which I don't think at this point they can things will change. Maybe then a wind down date will be given or a true flow through will be offered. It costs Delta nothing to offer a flow in fact it saves them money by not having to interview as many people. Having to shut us down because of staffing does cost them money because the lift we provide will be more expensive, hence costing them money. And it's all about the money.

If you banked on definitive you would quickly learn that nothing is definitive in this industry.

Bartok 10-29-2013 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1509532)
The words they used in the business update were pretty vague. If I was looking to get hired on at a regional I would need something more definitive. When they can't fill classes which I don't think at this point they can things will change. Maybe then a wind down date will be given or a true flow through will be offered. It costs Delta nothing to offer a flow in fact it saves them money by not having to interview as many people. Having to shut us down because of staffing does cost them money because the lift we provide will be more expensive, hence costing them money. And it's all about the money.

I think it's all about when they put the screws to XJT pilots and their contract negotiations.

They don't have one of their carrots (or sticks) if they announced 9E was keeping a definite amount of 200's.

MARX 10-29-2013 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1509532)
It costs Delta nothing to offer a flow in fact it saves them money by not having to interview as many people. Having to shut us down because of staffing does cost them money because the lift we provide will be more expensive, hence costing them money. And it's all about the money.

It costs them in terms of erosion to their culture, which is VERY expensive in the long run. One bad pilot can cost an airline 100s of thousands of dollars throughout a pilot's career with excessive sick calls, training issues, and other abuses of the system. The cost of interviewing and selecting the right pilot at DAL is about $2500. If I were a legacy carrier like DAL, I'd rather pay the $2500 up front and maintain my own hiring standards.

It's why we'll never see DAL institute a flow through agreement.

Will 10-29-2013 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by MARX (Post 1509543)
It costs them in terms of erosion to their culture, which is VERY expensive in the long run. One bad pilot can cost an airline 100s of thousands of dollars throughout a pilot's career with excessive sick calls, training issues, and other abuses of the system. The cost of interviewing and selecting the right pilot at DAL is about $2500. If I were a legacy carrier like DAL, I'd rather pay the $2500 up front and maintain my own hiring standards.

It's why we'll never see DAL institute a flow through agreement.


I will agree with what you have to say. A possible solution is a meet and great while they look over your PRIA records and attendance before giving the person the go ahead.

NormalAbnormal 10-29-2013 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by will (Post 1509568)
i will agree with what you have to say. A possible solution is a meet and great while they look over your pria records and attendance before giving the person the go ahead.

ssp

. . . .

Will 10-29-2013 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by NormalAbnormal (Post 1509583)
ssp

. . . .

I heard the only SSP candidate not hired had attendance issues.

Skypilotsv1984 10-29-2013 10:41 AM

Except the SSP only applies to captains, once they finish the downgrades the number of pilots eligible or accepted to the SSP will be very, very low. The rest will be put out on the street once we shut down.

Lone Palm 10-29-2013 03:53 PM


Except the SSP only applies to captains, once they finish the downgrades the number of pilots eligible or accepted to the SSP will be very, very low. The rest will be put out on the street once we shut down.
Not correct, your eligible if you have been a captain as well.


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