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ProverseYaw 12-10-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1537132)
I get it. It's just such a stupid argument & comparison when pilots claim "I can make more at Home Depot, McDonalds, BK blah blah blah" It isn't true. If there is more to be made working min wage jobs, then why are they selling themselves short by flying airplanes?

I am hoping you're simply trolling. Otherwise may I refer you to the first page of the thread and encourage you to read. Although I must say your avatar picture is a perfect representation of what I believe you are like irl.

ShyGuy 12-10-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1537132)
I get it. It's just such a stupid argument & comparison when pilots claim "I can make more at Home Depot, McDonalds, BK blah blah blah" It isn't true. If there is more to be made working min wage jobs, then why are they selling themselves short by flying airplanes?

Is this a serious question? So they can one day land a job at a major! Same reason as it has been for the past 30 years. Not everyone is as lucky as you to get flowed to Delta.

clearprop 12-10-2013 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1535091)
Or take $100,000 invest it in your own company and make 20-40% return.
30 years later you will have made a solid business for your kids. Not sure anyone recommends flying to their kids anymore.

so easy a caveman can do it.

TeddyKGB 12-10-2013 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1537175)
Is this a serious question? So they can one day land a job at a major! Same reason as it has been for the past 30 years. Not everyone is as lucky as you to get flowed to Delta.

Lots of pilots are as lucky as me shyguy. By next summer over 100 will have flowed another another 100 hired via the SSP. Too bad you gave up your SSP right so that you could undercut the industry and slave away for Virgin.

TeddyKGB 12-10-2013 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by ProverseYaw (Post 1537172)
I am hoping you're simply trolling. Otherwise may I refer you to the first page of the thread and encourage you to read. Although I must say your avatar picture is a perfect representation of what I believe you are like irl.

It's an SNL Skit. Lighten up Francis.

80ktsClamp 12-10-2013 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1537175)
Is this a serious question? So they can one day land a job at a major! Same reason as it has been for the past 30 years. Not everyone is as lucky as you to get flowed to Delta.

You've sure made out better than the BK job, so have I, so have many others.

We're talking long term things here, not ADD 5 year stuff.

Denny Crane 12-11-2013 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by madeinUSA (Post 1536957)
I don't think there are any regional pilots, especially FO's that would disagree. I try to look at the brighter side of things, make as much as I can at the regional level, and then move on. If you have some great idea to raise wages then I'm all ears but so far I've only heard b****ing and moaning and no solutions. I was sickened at ALPA during our last "lunch" where all they talked about was some Dubai customs BS and other things that have no effect on us. I'd say the first step is to set a floor level of pay in this race to the bottom. If ALPA isn't on board then maybe it's time to form a union that solely represents regional pilots. As far as your economics class comment goes, lighten up!! Remember that Delta has CRJ-900 rates in their contract. Mind you that every pilot at 9E would be making over 6 figures at that rate. So the economics are simple. If there are people willing to work for dirt wages then pay them dirt. And if their union won't put a stop to it then better yet.

Just doin' a drive by here but if you are trying to get to a major and don't think this could have consequences for your career development............think again.

Denny

Bartok 12-11-2013 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1537175)
Is this a serious question? So they can one day land a job at a major! Same reason as it has been for the past 30 years. Not everyone is as lucky as you to get flowed to Delta.

That's his point.

You won't get an interview with a Major flipping burgers.


Attacking his flow to Delta is comical, you would take it in a heartbeat!

"Sorry Sir, I can't accept this flow, I want to go the honorable route and get hired off the street."

ShyGuy 12-11-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1537352)
Lots of pilots are as lucky as me shyguy. By next summer over 100 will have flowed another another 100 hired via the SSP. Too bad you gave up your SSP right so that you could undercut the industry and slave away for Virgin.

I left prior to BK and certainly prior to any concessions/SSP talks. Even if I was still at 9E I still wouldn't be eligible for the SSP. A guaranteed flow (a la Compass) is one thing, but a SSP is nothing guaranteed as some pilots are finding out.

ShyGuy 12-11-2013 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1537557)
That's his point.

You won't get an interview with a Major flipping burgers.


Attacking his flow to Delta is comical, you would take it in a heartbeat!

"Sorry Sir, I can't accept this flow, I want to go the honorable route and get hired off the street."

Yes, and it's thinking like that which airline management knows all too well and why they get away with paying poverty wages at regionals. Entry level wages of 15k-30k for FOs and 50-80k for CAs. While a RJ CA salary is livable, FO salary isn't meant to be lived on for long term. Most of the legacy pilots in this thread got hired at a regional in a good time, upgraded very quickly, and got to serve a big portion of the regional career as a CA. Today, thanks to Age 65, recession, and guys who just won't leave unless Delta or United calls, there are 7-10+ year RJ FOs who haven't made a penny more than $35-45k all in hopes of "one day" flying for a major.


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