ProverseYaw

Which one should I choose?

I am currently considering employment at both and trying to decide which offer to accept. I would appreciate your input.

At endeavor my first half decade I could earn $22,500, $29,700, $31,500 & $33,300 per year and every year thereafter working full time.

If I accept a job at BK (burger king) with the proposed $15/hr min wage and work full time I would earn $31,200 per year, which after five years would earn $5,700 more than being an airline pilot.

In addition, I would work less and be home more. Full time at BK 40 hrs a week and home every day vs being gone from home an average of 78 hrs per week at 9e. Sleep in my own bed vs a 3 star hotel every night, get paid breaks to eat fast food vs running between flights to pickup fast food, extra pay and reduced hours for holidays (and still be home before & after work on holidays), and $100,000 less education debt.

Best of all, a faster opportunity to upgrade to manager and actually career progression and opportunity!

I think I've made up my mind what career path would be best, but what do you think?


Additionally, why is there a shortage again?

Al Czervik

Depends how old you are.

5-6 years at pcl:
Not a ton of money.

Land a mainline job at American/DL/UAL by 36-38:
~$6,247,500 in hourly wages by retirement.
~$1,000,000 in 401K match

$853,000 at BK.

I'd take endeavor.

NoLightOff

Don't forget the free crew meals at BK.

ProverseYaw

Good point, a job at a mainline is better than working at a fast food place.

That doesn't dispute the fact that you can make more money and have a better quality of life your first 10 years out of high school working at a fast food restaurant than going to school to become an airline pilot.

The point I am making is that its no surprise we are preparing for a shortage of qualified pilots at regionals. I'm not honestly advocating for potential pilots to become fry cooks, but to realize the sad state this career is in and why we have a shortage.

Many who are interested in a career as a pilot will decide to pursue other more promising careers, which are not so equally comparable to fast food.

madeinUSA

6th year pay 9E FO $62,000. Granted I averaged 105 hrs credit/mo. and had a 6,000 bonus including per diem.

ProverseYaw

Sure, its possible (and likely with our current staffing) some will fly more than 75hrs a month and work more than 4 days a week (I haven't had more than 11 days off since the bankruptcy, not by choice) and therefore earn more.

But can't fast food employees work overtime too? I was using base full time wages to make an argument that we are underpaid when you can consider a minimum wage uneducated employee to be in roughly the same tax bracket, and that sad fact is a big reason why we see a shortage of regional airline pilots.

Congrats on the bonus, how much would you have earned with the pre-bankruptcy contract?

crazyjaydawg

No you got $6k in hush money to sign away two years of your longevity and you're working at 4th year pay.

Better check your figures there.

AlaskaBound

Any new hire at 9E will not be around long enough to top out the FO pay scale. It seems as though people are forgetting that 9E will be losing their 200s. Whether it's 1,2,3 or 4 years away...Delta will get rid of them and there's not enough regional growth opportunities as a DCI carrier to recover from that loss unless Delta dumps a current carrier. Mainline scope limits DCI growth...it's pretty much maxed out as it is.

bonesbrigade

Can you get me an "IN" at Delta? I ask only because you speak with such authority that you must be in a position of power and knowledge at Delta Air Lines.

Avroman

And how much are you making next year? You do know that bribe money was a one time deal? And what happens to that credit with FAR 117 reducing the amount you can credit per month? I hope you aren't budgeting for 105hrs. Considering I am making less than $62,000 as an eighth year (all reserve or CDO, AKA guarantee every month) captain this year, I call BS. Then again I don't count the 6K in bribe money (that was actually only 5,200 into the 401K) or the pittance of per diem.