mooney

I know attorneys that thought OJ was guilty. Just sayin'

Flycameron

How many guys at 9E have interviewed at DAL and how many of those guys have been offered a job? I'm guessing you guys have around 950 captains so if 9E has a 40% pass rate with DAL and say 300 guys have been interviewed I'm guessing that about 120 guys hired leaving about 280 to remain lifers at 9E. Not sure how close my numbers are but let's just say only half of the 950 are hired at DAL that leaves over 400 captains at 9E for the life of their career. So if that math adds up, then who really cares what the EtD contract says because a new hire isn't going to even be a Captain for 8 years plus his 2 year requirement to be captain makes it about 10. Let's say my numbers are off by half so your looking at 4 years until upgrade then 2 years at captain. I think any new hire at best will be able to move to DAL in 6 years.

This is crazy when you could go to any other regional who has movement and make captain in 2 to 3 years and now you have the option to work for not just DAL but any of the airlines. The math just doesn't seem to add up. No movement on the top end means no movement on the bottom end and that means no DAL anytime soon.

If DAL has 8000 applications right now and I'm sure those 8,000 apps have also applied at UAL and AA. Just those three airlines want about 2000 pilots a year right now. You also have several others needing pilots so you could easily say 2500 a year so that means in just 3.5 years all 8,000 of those DAL apps will be gone. So 3.5 years apply anywhere or 6 years only be locked into DAL. Math doesn't add up.

vilcas

FYI not all captains rejected by Delta will just give up. Some will apply and be hired elsewhere. There are more options than just Delta or Endeavor for life. As of the end of May 214 applied through SSP. 108 given CJO, 57 told come back in a year and 49 told no thanks which is supposedly for life. As you can see overall success is about 50%. Some of those told to come back in a year will succeed on the second chance which will further increase success rate. What this all means is that movement will continue to Delta and other Airlines and this will lead to ever increasing upgrades probably starting early 2015. My predictions is that those upgrades will move quickly with most of the current FOs upgraded by mid 2016. This means that a new hire now is looking at upgrade mid to late 2016. With the new agreement in place you are starting class at delta in late 2018. This is based on current trends and forecasts. Only time will tell if it is accurate and I am sure there will be more than a few experts who will now get on here to say no upgrades ever.

DALMD88FO

Let me correct you about this statement, you ARE NOT a Delta Pilot until you are sitting in class with a seniority number. As for your belief that, if Endeavor shuts down, those with CJO's would just move up to Delta, you might want to ask any pilot that was in any major airline hiring pool after 911. They all had CJO's and that didn't mean a thing when the hiring started again. Some got the opportunity to re interview, but they didn't just get to show up when the hiring started again. A brief search of this site will show you thread about it.

DALMD88FO

Gentlemen,

One thing you have to remember this has absolutely nothing to do with filling seats at Delta mainline. This came about because Endeavor, along with a lot of regionals, are having problems with people showing up for interviews and class dates. Instead of fixing the real problem, which is the quality of life at the regionals, they put a bandaid fix on a sucking chest wound. Any hope of getting improvements just went out the window with this program.

gojo

Exactly, what people need to realize is that regional life is going to suck more and more everywhere with a couple of exceptions which will suck slightly less

vilcas

Let's use this opportunity to bid the regionals good bye not improve them

Avroman

Then why are you slurping this etd like a pornstar? This doesn't fix the problems and Endeavor will continue to shrink.

Mesabah

No, both the SSP and the EtD stay intact for the pilots that had them, if Endeavor shuts down. This is a different program than being in a hiring pool. I also know very well what happens to people in hiring pools.

The EtD is an end run around both the regional, and the mainline CBA to get people to work at 9E, with some of the lowest wages in the industry. It is distorting our ability to fight for higher wages for aircraft with 76 seats or less, and perhaps even larger aircraft in the future in mainline fails, and gives further scope concessions.

ShyGuy

Mesabah, congrats on pulling off a very successful troll for 10 pages. Seems everyone fell for it. You usually have well educated posts so no way do you believe what you've written in this thread. Well done!