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ShyGuy 03-21-2015 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1846949)
Reasons for saying this

People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.

First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.

The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.

The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.

For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.

All those reasons pretty much exist as well for PSA, TSA, Compass, and Piedmont. Why Endeavor? Look at net fleet growth. Endeavor is still going negative. The other 4 regionals just mentioned are growing and are scheduled to grow. While the future is always uncertain, it's still a better bet to go to a regional that has scheduled growth. As for the CR2s coming back, doesn't the Delta CBA limit the 50 seaters to a total of 125 system wide once all 717s are on property?

Squallrider 03-21-2015 01:42 PM

The thing with bonuses is they can be stopped at anytime. I think people at endeavor (and else where) should ask why a bonus and not a increase to base? Simple answer is a bonus can be stopped a base increase can't.

gojo 03-21-2015 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 1847085)
The thing with bonuses is they can be stopped at anytime. I think people at endeavor (and else where) should ask why a bonus and not a increase to base? Simple answer is a bonus can be stopped a base increase can't.

Base increases can be stopped too (hint bankruptcy). However, there is a loa that gaurentees theses bonuses for 4 years. Thank Skywest for the real reason it's off the books as a rate increase due to their brilliant agreement to a scheduled rate reset

jetn67 03-21-2015 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1846949)
35 CA vacancies, with now downgrades. This is the first pure vacancy notice in a long while. Endeavor has turned the corner new hires are showing up and now you will upgrade time drop like a rock. If you get hired today within 2 years you should have the opportunity.



Reasons for saying this



People leaving for Delta and other majors will continue to create movement.



First officers with CJO's at Delta will soon start moving there as early as next year and some will skip the upgrade now that the money part is there and they will enjoy the quality of life as a senior first officer before moving on to Delta.



The major airlines will start to look more closely at regional first officers again increasing attrition.



The company will be bring CRJ 200 back out of the desert in the fall to begin growing with the idea of being about 150 airplanes strong.



For those looking at which regional to go too consider Endeavor. Best money in the industry as well as the much needed upgrade to captain is coming.


About a year ago they were so arrogant to believe pilots would come work for them just to get a delta interview .With companies like PSA, Compass , and others
growing with quick upgrades they had
no choice but to turn things around or
shut the doors..


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Nantonaku 03-21-2015 02:27 PM

Even if true the post comes off as pure propaganda. What is the point of this thread?

whoareyou311 03-21-2015 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by jetn67 (Post 1847098)
About a year ago they were so arrogant to believe pilots would come work for them just to get a delta interview .With companies like PSA, Compass , and others
growing with quick upgrades they had
no choice but to turn things around or
shut the doors..


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It wasn't to get a Delta interview. IT WAS A DELTA INTERVIEW and DELTA CJO...wake up..we all know it didn't work

jetn67 03-21-2015 02:50 PM

I believe that's what my post said .No worries I am awake


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AlaskaBound 03-21-2015 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1847089)
Base increases can be stopped too (hint bankruptcy). However, there is a loa that gaurentees theses bonuses for 4 years. Thank Skywest for the real reason it's off the books as a rate increase due to their brilliant agreement to a scheduled rate reset

It's easier to disregard a promise of a bonus than it is to put an airline into bankruptcy. It's also easier to disregard an LOA that says they'll give you a bonus than put the airline into bankruptcy. Cheaper too. So if management was serious they would have offered base wage increases.

It's hardly Skywests fault Delta didn't offer you base wage increases. Your argument is almost comical. It's not always someone else's fault.

TeddyKGB 03-21-2015 03:31 PM

Glad to see things turning around at 9E. With upgrades starting and by far the best regional FO pay in the industry it seems like a good place to go these days.

gojo 03-21-2015 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1847129)
It's easier to disregard a promise of a bonus than it is to put an airline into bankruptcy. It's also easier to disregard an LOA that says they'll give you a bonus than put the airline into bankruptcy. Cheaper too. So if management was serious they would have offered base wage increases.

It's hardly Skywests fault Delta didn't offer you base wage increases. Your argument is almost comical. It's not always someone else's fault.

How is it easier. It's a contract now free of loopholes. And my point wasn't about the ease of the task, just that that base wages are not safe either. Look at Eagle/Envoy/PSA for example. Companies seem to always find a formula that works to get what they want. As far as my Skywest comment: I stand by that. Delta isn't stupid, and they're doing this for a reason. If you want to believe it's because the want to take it back later, it really shows a lack of maturity and knowledge of the aviation industry on your part. Btw, thanks for the laugh


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