Ignore and disregard anything that shyguy and alaskabound have to say about 9E. They were at 9E during a bad time and they are beyond scorned and bitter and will be until the end. All they do now is lurk and bash on their former airline and they can't stand the fact that good things are actually happening there now. If you want to make a quarter of a million dollars over the next 5 years and fast track to Delta then 9E is a good place to go right now.

1st year pay at 9E will be close to $50,000. Do the math.

Door number 2... DTK(drinking the Kool-Aid)!:eek:

Or you could go to Compass, PSA, or TSA and upgrade pretty much right away and make more than that. Compass is down to an Oct 2014 DOH CA which is 6 months. TSA is hiring the equivalent of direct entry CAs.

:rolleyes:

Just like all your posts on bonus tax code you have no idea what you are talking about. Anything is possible but the SSP and bonus are part of the contract. Like any regional 9E could be pushed back into bankruptcy and things could change. Compass is no safer than any other regional (meaning your contract could be gutted under BK just like any contract could be gutted in a re-organization). If 9E is sold the contract doesn't go away.

If you are a prospective new hire in this market I'd be looking at which airlines have the resources to bring in new hires, the quick upgrades at the currently growing airlines are short term and when they end new hires will stop coming. In the next two years expect only those regionals with resources to bring in fresh meat to live. The future is going to be full of carnage at the regional level. Pick wisely.

He has less of an idea than ANYONE working at 9E. He left long ago. Not many on here have much inside knowledge, especially people that left.

There's alot of naysayers on here. They had their time where their negativity was accurate. There were the dark times fairly recently, however its pretty clear for internal employees that things are getting better every day and there is a plan with good pay/ career path.

"Mark my Work"? Dude, you don't have any idea. You are purely guessing. Why not go to Vegas with your "Intel". If you were "in the know", its unlikely you would be a regional FO with 6,7,8+ years in that position.

Sims can be sold very easily or transferred, I'm not saying that's the case here but I wouldntbet on a sim for long term assurance. Delta had approached air whiskey about it and some have left to Skywest , maybe the plan has changed because you can staff now? I think the al is to have 9e be one type of aircraft just like envoy will be all 175 one day, he then I'm just a line pilot

Alaska,
Put your money where your mouth is since you are so certain what will happen. If Endeavor is not sold off within a year from today then you stop posting on APC. Are you willing to back up your words?

Why do you guys waste your time with him?

I don't understand the talk of the -200s going to mesa. Didn't mesa already burn that bridge in 2008? Strangers thing have happened and I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'd be really surprised RA would contract out to them again.

"Give a pilot a bucket of gold....and he'll complain about the weight"

Negativity, crew room wining, and rumor mongering are what I hate most about this profession.

We loose sight of the fact that... WE GET PAID TO FLY MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR JETS AROUND! How cool is THAT? Pilots are the envy of every office rat I know.

I have worked behind a desk, most every time I've been furloughed, lost my medical or taken a pay cut (3 furloughs, 1 lost med, 7 pay cuts), everything about office work sucks....

Be thankful you get to do the COOLEST thing in the world... not stuck in a cubicle, but with the best view out the window possible and great people!

It ends to soon, even with an age 65 rule!

I dunno. I'm always leery of people (or corporate recruiters and executives) who say "yeah, we were conniving liars and a-holes in the past,........ but we've changed! We're sooooo much nicer now. Heck, we even want to pay you a LOT more money!! You can trust us now. Really!"

Makes me suspect that they may not actually have that huge stash of candy inside of their windowless van.

Let's see...Mesa bought the sim, Mesa is HQ'd in PHX. I'd say there's a good chance they'll go to Mesa and not 9E.

"Give a pilot a bucket of gold....and he'll complain about the weight"

Negativity, crew room wining, and rumor mongering are what I hate most about this profession.

We loose sight of the fact that... WE GET PAID TO FLY MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR JETS AROUND! How cool is THAT? Pilots are the envy of every office rat I know.

I have worked behind a desk, most every time I've been furloughed, lost my medical or taken a pay cut (3 furloughs, 1 lost med, 7 pay cuts), everything about office work sucks....

Be thankful you get to do the COOLEST thing in the world... not stuck in a cubicle, but with the best view out the window possible and great people!

It ends to soon, even with an age 65 rule!"

I agree with this. In my former life in corporate training and development, we were actually accountable to some core values...honesty, respect, favorable attitude, teamwork, and professional development/stewardship. I suspect that an alarming portion of my peers in aviation would not score well in a graded 6 month and and annual review in these areas. Oh and by the way, merit raises were based on these reviews. Food for thought...

While I agree with your sentiment in general vs an office job, keep in mind the bold portion has also been the bane of this profession in the regional industry.

I forgot about "merit" raises, which is always fun when you have a Jack A$$ for a boss.

Don't think Mesa bought the sim. Could be wrong though

No one really has proof just hear say, but why would they send it to PHX if it was intended for 9E? What happened to the 3 200 sims that were in MEM? Where did FS send them off to?

One MEM sim went to CVG, the other 2 mothballed from what I hear (it was cheaper for FSI to do that than have to move and recertify them). Endeavor instructors have received numerous emails about us having first rights to the new PHX sim and that it looks like that it will possibly be ready to go in late May. CAE will own the sim. There is no room for it in MSP.

Thought so. I can't believe the crap people come up with on here.

Well, that's one way to look at it. Bad reputations are hard to overcome, that's for sure. Seems it's human nature to remember the negative, and it takes a lot of positive and a fair amount of time to overcome a bad reputation. One thing I've noticed over the years is that there's a direct correlation between how companies treat their employees and the ease of replacing them.

Haha where do you get this garbage. Try again

Says the Gulfstream graduate who took a job flying a 320 for one of the worst rates in the industry. :rolleyes:

Shyguy was JetU, even worse than the Steamers!!!

No wonder he has such a big chip on his shoulder

Oh, thats right. I always get those pay for a job and buy your way in programs mixed up. JetU it is. :rolleyes:

And you would think he would spend his energy and focus bashing JetU and not 9E. Talk about screwed up perception & priorities.

Do tell, how was JetU worse than Gulfrstream? Gulfstream had a program where they would keep a right seat for a program student that paid $30k whereas stopping them from hiring a street FO at the regular FO rate. That's the so called PFT. How was JetU like this? It was nothing of the sort. It was just a bunch of RJ ground and sim school - not paid or run by 9E. At the end of the day, you interviewed at 9E like anyone else and either were hired or not. In my particular interview only 6/10 were hired. At the end we got a class date at 9E like any other street guy. No seat was taken like in the Gulfstream deal.

Always found it a little comical when a regional lifer who is saved by the Delta flow try and throw jab for those who actually move on their own.

You are correct about bashing JetU and I did in 2008/9. They were a bunch of scam artists who screwed people, especially military guys with VA benefits. JetU went out of business in May 2009. At the time I didn't know of their shady business practices but they all came to light afterwards. It was ugly with lawsuits and Wachovia/Sallie Mae was involved too.

Lastly, I'm not bashing 9E. I just said there were other options that have better advancement opportunities. In no way is this bashing the people at 9E. It's not the peoples' fault, it's just management and what they are planning for the regionals. Some have better advancement opportunities than others.

Paying for most of the flight training up front wasn't a big red flag to you? I would never pay for it up front to a place like Jet U. How did you not see that coming? Every flight school that I have ever attend or worked at allowed the "Pay as you go option"

People seeking short cuts and willing to sell out tend to lose focus of the big picture and get wrapped up in the now of things.

shy, the lost decade created a bunch of regional "lifers" as you choose to call them. XJ was a great place to be "stuck" for a lot of us "lifers" Most were living in base and making six figures and great QOL to boot. At the time, most of the eventual flows had no desire to go to some tier 3 airline just to fly a 320 for some of the worst rates in the industry and to commute to do so. I don't fault you for going to Virgin. In your position at the time it could easily be justified. On the other hand, you can't fault us XJ "lifers" at the time for staying put at XJ and holding out for something better than a tier 3 gig which most had not desire to commute to.

I wouldn't count on the 200s staying, delta has shown they want to move them and it just didn't work out with air whiskey. I'm sure you guys are some of the cheaper bidders now so who knows. Side note Skywest opened up DTW As a maintenance base. Hope the deuce stays by you guys tho, it's been a tumultuous few years for you guys.

I agree for flight training it should be pay-as-you-go. But flight schools back in 2006-2007 that had RJ transition programs required full money upfront for this course. One could either take a loan or bring a check. That in itself was not too shady. The shady part was how the business was run in terms of lies they spread to screw military members with VA benefits and lies spread about their own accreditation.

I had a few mentors and the advice given at 23 when starting at a regional: move up until the tail matches the name on the paycheck. But even if you excuse that, the lost decade is just a term. Yes 9/11 and Age 65 set the industry back but there was still plenty of hiring at LCCs/Legacies. The explosive growth was at the LCCs. You call it a 3rd tier airline and IMO that is more a mindset than anything else. The only thing I can see is living in base and not wanting to commute. But great schedules and six figure pay could easily be had at any LCC. And another fact is amongst Virgin/jetBlue/Spirit, anyone hired prior to March 2010 is a CA today making well over six figures. I'm not faulting you, but just trying to keep it factual. The last point I'd like to make is although you make it sound like many at XJ didn't want to work at 3rd tier airlines and wanted to hold out for something they could live in base for, the one airline that was that chance was Northwest, and I know two pilots who in the past commented that no way would they leave the Avro left seat to go make 30/hr to fly a DC9. For many (including Express/Pinnacle) that was an actual reason given. So it wasn't just not wanting to work for a 3rd tier airline. Some didn't want to fly the entry level DC9 for their mainline mothership for the wage being offered at the time. Of course, those that did take that leap are at Delta making excellent money. As for where I am the 320 pay isn't the highest in the industry but it's certainly not the lowest either as you like to claim. I'm also not 'above' working at any one place. That's why my apps went everywhere and the only two majors that were hiring at the time were NK and VX.

Okay so back to Endeavor! I think I read in earlier posts, and I also gather from the paperwork they sent out in the latest emails for the next class...We will be able to positive space home on weekends? Is this even going to be practical? I have a wife and two little ones at home and would love to make it home on the weekends but am unsure how realistic this is with the training going on.

Thanks for any help! Being gone from the family for a month seems a bit much but maybe that's the norm in the 121 world.

Yes, you receive positive space home on the weekends. I wouldn't recommend heading home though on the final weekend prior to the systems exam. You should've already received an email about whom to contact to set up your travel needs. Class should be done on Fridays by 1700 and the hotel shuttle will take you to the airport from the training center. They may also take a vote in class to start on Fridays an hour early so you can have a few more flight options.

These Endeavor threads are just awesome... Pure comedy.

The SSP wasn't a short cut? A lot of Delta guys are saying different.

Any idea of current reserve times? How commutable is it really? I'm hoping for MSP.