Seeing the transition of the various companies over the past 8 years I can tell you that Endeavor is being run the best I have ever seen. The vocal minority naysayers on here are a small group that are no longer employed at the company and continue to say the same thing over and over again. If your a prospective new hire and want real advice, ask a current employee. The latest from the school house is another CRJ 200 simulator has been purchased for a total of two on top of what we already are operating.

Yes, this is a completely different company than just a year and a half ago. Russ Elander our VP of flights ops, has made a huge difference.

you're trying really hard to justify your lateral move to yourself…..

The sim from China just arrived in PHX. A second 200 sim is coming from Germany. Not sure of what the timeline for that one is.

The company has also sent about 10 conditional new hires to get their ATP that Endeavor is paying for.

They are also working with Delta to put together a training program for a waiver of the 1500/1000/750 hour rule.

They want to bring back 70 200's from the desert. How many they can staff of those, I don't know.

Where did you come by that number?
70 total of the newest ones? or 70 + 35 (current size) ? or 70 + 17 (expected summer fleet size)?

Still having staffing issues though. The NET this year isn't far from zero and that doesn't even include the 140 or so Captains that will head to Delta at the end of the year. Should be good movement at that point though, however 9E still needs new FO's just like every other regional.

Mgt seems pretty confident that they can get this cradle to grave program off the ground, and take guys under the FAA requirement. If that happens, Endeavor will have plenty of FO's. That's what I think the retention bonus was for, to buy them time until the hiring program is up and running.

Not sure what your deal is. But if I bought a Harley back when AMF owned them and it was a POS, that would not mean I wouldn't buy one today. Things change. Your unwillingness to step out of the past and do some simple research before you speak tells me you have a closed mind, and hang on to bitterness. That $hit will eat you up

If those fleet numbers are true, upgrade times are gonna drop big time and in very short order!

Looks like a lot of guys gonna be eating their hats and loving the turd sandwich they been giving out

So the ASA side of expressjet is going to be parking all their 200s? You know... scope and all.

60-70 is the number that they are telling everyone. Growth is coming back, (kinda) the 200's will be back out of the sand this fall. Buying two sims for 200's alone is not a small price tag.

Someone had better tell ASA and Skywest that they have to park their 200s in that case.

Doesn't Delta scope in the PWA limit the 50 seaters in the entire DCI system to 125 total?


Not to argue the merits of everything said, but a meteoric rise is a misnomer because a meteor is a short lived streak as it comes crashing down. A meteor is not the best metaphor for a triumphant and lasting ascendancy.

That is correct. What used to be Chatauqua still operates 50 seaters for DL as well, thus further limiting the CRJ-200 count.

It is gauged off of 76 seaters which are gauged off of 717s.

Yes, and no. The additional 200's will lower the amount of 76 seaters, Delta is upping the number of 717's, and the block hour limits are being complied with. So additional 200's over 125 are allowed, for now.

Delta pilots are free to merge with Endeavor if they want to remedy any scope violation. So..............

Truth be told that is in fact true, but you know these colloquialisms. So lets replace it with a more apt "Rise like a Phoenix!"

How many 76 seaters are there now (and planned to be) in the system? That determines the max amount of 50 seaters (which drops to 125 with the 223rd 76 seater, down from 348 50-seaters).

DL upping the number of 717's has no bearing on this as the max amount of 76 seaters is gauged off of a 88 717s. Going above that number has no effect on the amount of RJs permitted.

This discussion is probably moot though because we haven't seen C2015 yet. They don't plan on doing anything here until C2015 is done.

It's no small secret that the company's plan is for 100 CRJ-200s in the system... I heard it straight from RA at a meeting about a month ago. They are looking at getting even more 717s on top of the additional 5 we just purchased due to the instability of the regionals.

Yeah, in the current system, however, the 200's we are getting back are going back to places we abandoned when fuel prices were too high. Keep in mind DCI is paying almost a dollar less per gallon for fuel since DCI isn't hedged.

Furthermore, management tells you what you want to hear, this is an airline for God sakes. You have to watch their actions.

strike 2, that tactic has already been tried here :)……Pre Endeavor, Pinnacle was Express I. Their logo was a Phoenix, and had the ThunderChicken on the pilot wings. Now they are dead again.

This all sounds great, but as an 8 year FO I'm still on reserve and not a dime of extra cash has made it to my pocket (it will eventually). The company didn't do anything extra for me when I needed time off for a family member having open heart surgery because they can't (staffing) but I expect I'll hear the same line again this year during recurrent about how they'll help us out. They did whats required by law, nothing more. Thats fine, just stop with the line of BS about how altruistic endeavor is. I've worked at three different regionals over the past 11 years. Endeavor is nothing special.

did you try FMLA?

I"m far from bitter and have have left that negativity in the cockpit where I found it in the legacy Pinnacle cockpit.. I'm a captain at my current airline making more than the lame and short term bonus you guys are getting in the next few years. I'd still be an 8 year FO there so the fact that people are crazy enough to consider 9E as a newbie makes me want to help them avoid it at all costs. I can say how bad a place is (I still have several friends there who tell me how is) and not be bitter about it. Facts are Facts...all emotion aside.

I have never had any trouble with Mesaba/Pinnacle/ Endeavor when I needed time off for family. But I did do FMLA when my dad was ill. Lost some money, but I have no regrets.

Yep, UNUM denied it.

During my initial conversation with the CP office they said theyd give me a leave of absence if UNUM denied FMLA. They later said no.

Au contraire- every last thing RA said in that meeting (including things we didn't want to hear, such as the parking of the 744s staying on schedule) has come to fruition (757s, 717s, Shanghai, and other stuff that hasn't been announced yet). Why would he gloss over this one while being frank with us on everything else?

Because you don't understand Mesabah is a CEO and knows more then all of us. DCI makes all the money and mainline just barely squeaks by. He posts on the interal message board and has it all figured out. We will be lucky to know as much as him. Scope is limited to 125 50 seaters but that doesn't mean anything to him.

As far as your friends are concerned: birds of a feather tend to flock together. You should stop while you're ahead or slightly behind, as you have no idea of the current state of Endeavor

They bought 2 sims, so that's three sims for 17 airplanes, yeah okay. You know these boards are for entertainment right, don't get rapped up in what is said. I don't know anything other than watching the actions of people, and figuring out what's up. It has served me very well in the past.

Endeavor didn't buy any simulators, they just have first right of refusal, big difference.

where is this announcement for the 2nd sim and where is the sim located? Or did someone hear it from the cousin of a friend who has a brother who is a check airman?

I guess we will all find out what happens in the fall.

And another thing, I never said DCI makes all of Delta's profits, you guys are making that up. I said Delta makes almost all its profits from DCI, and the other business ventures, mainline is a break even operation. This is a 100% true statement.

I'm not a finance guy so I know nothing about it, but I do know that Delta did not make most of its 4 BILLION dollar profit last year from DCI!!!!

The Delta 10K has a break down of where all the profits came from, it's all in there. I was shocked that was the case though, I will say that.

Okay, I'll give you that. But what can you back that up with?

I'm not a finance guy but how would DL's bottom line look like if DCI disappeared? Every passenger that gets onto a DCI flight is either:

1. Flying one leg on DCI
2. Connecting to a DCI flight
3. Connecting to a DL flight.

If the mainlines are not worried about their regional feed in the next few years, they are foolish. DL seems to be the airline that is taking this seriously. What I DL doing is setting up Endeavor for a possible merger/staple down the road. Wholly owned, procedures and manuals aligning, etc. When the staffing gets critical they can flip the switch. If the entry level job at DL is an RJ FO at 70k+ a year they will have a line out the door. Pilots leave in droves from other regional carriers and the competition suffers.

I know a senior check airman.

Ya woo hoo... It'll be just like Comair!













Oh wait!?:eek:

Bingo. But I wouldn't bet on a merger or staple. Delta can just move the aircraft from the Endeavor certificate to the DL certificate, interview and hire the pilots it wants, and can the others. Why would you merge and pay a Senior captain DL pay rates when you can move the planes, hire them as new hires and pay them year one pay?

I live in DL country, have a lot of friends there, and commute on DL all the time. Everyone you talk to thinks there will be little if any outsourced flying at DL in ten years.

Pilots have a problem thinking like accountants. Its all about saving cost and maximizing profit. You outsource something because the hit you take in quality is greatly offset by the reduced cost. If the product you are outsourcing has little if any cost savings, why outsource it? Then you insource it.

Right now Endeavor is paying $20,000 extra a year which is approximately $20 an hour. New hire pay rates are $25 an hour. If Endeavor is forced to pay 200% for pickups then you are producing the product (flying) for $70/hour ($20+$25+$25). What is Delta's new hire payrate on the 717? $70 an hour. Its not just Delta. TSA just got a $10,000 bonus plus everyone can see 200% coming like a freight train. So we will potentially be performing flying at $58 an hour ($24+$24+$10) and United's new hire pay rate is $66 an hour.

Keep in mind under these fee for departure contracts regionals are guaranteed a profit margin so mainline has to pick up the extra cost to guarantee that margin

The numbers are similar when you look at CA rates vs CA narrowbody pay rates. So if you don't have huge savings anymore then why are you going to outsource? Insourcing will be the trend and in 5-10 years it is likely all the large RJ flying will be perfomed at mainline and the few regionals that are left will go back to flying pro rate contracts to small destinations with EMB 170 and MRJ type aircraft because they have CASMs that are competitive with narrowbodies.

Everyone that wants to be at mainline will be. Some will choose to stay at regionals because they will return to more profitable and stable pro rate flying similiar to what they performed in the late 70s and mid 80s before the advent of fee for departure contracts.

Endeavor is ahead of everyone in the bonus game because they got to the critical level first. As this shortage progresses, more and more bonuses will be offered to the point that even the slowpokes at United will figure it out.

I give RA and his NWA boys at DL credit. They have always been ahead of the curve when it comes to the accounting. They are ruthless as hell and would sell their mothers to make a nickel, but are very shrewd businessmen.

So you left when it was still the old Pinnacle days, but because you still have friends here, you know exactly how the place is? Your view is only based on what people tell you. How can you say you know what's going on if you didn't experience the current Endeavor yourself? This place is much better than it was just less than 2 years ago. I'm leaving this place in a few weeks, so I have no reason to try to convince myself that this place is going to get better, I can see that it will get better.