True.

The SSP is not only a shortcut but also disregards the official published Delta minimum of a 4-yr college degree.

The SSP came from Delta management, thus it was an official hiring policy. Also, a 4 year degree would not be required when a company has access to all your records like Delta has on Endeavor pilots.

How are those two related? Are you implying that your written tests in ground school are equivalent to a 4 year degree?

They are actually better than a 4 year degree. The purpose of a 4 year degree is as a stand in for verifiable, actual on the job experience. It's very difficult to fake a college degree from an accredited college, it's also totally impossible to fake your employment record at Endeavor.

You go to college, not for the education, but for a piece of paper that says you are not a fraud.

I think the statement meant that having an excellent performance/safety RECORD for a giving amount of years flying for Delta/NW out weights any four year degree.

That, and keep in mind Delta probably has over a thousand applications that are fraudulent.

Do you have a college degree?

I'm guessing not.

A written test in ground school that you're pretty much coached to pass is nothing close to a 4 year degree. I agree 4 year degrees shouldn't be. Requirement but to compare that with a ground school exam is ludicrous

Of course he doesn't. He's telling people his written tests from Endeavor are better then a college degree... The guy is delusional.
No one that had a degree would make a statement like that.

Deleted... This is just not worth the effort

you should check out the Mesa thread!

A lot of Delta guys never interviewed at Delta too.

And the guys that flowed got a massive short cut also... Point is he called out shyguy for taking a short cut... meanwhile he shortcut his way into Delta.

You know people in glass houses etc etc

Yes, engineering, BSME. I also know what a college degree is for. It's so an employer, like me, knows how to disseminate potential employees. The knowledge you learned in college is almost completely useless to me, and every other employer. Tell me about how a degree in art history allows you to shoot an ILS.

No, you are trying to attribute some value to the piece of paper we both have. It is nothing more than a way for employer to know that you are not forging your application.

Wow. Time to bail out of the regional threads again.

Not for an engineering major. Like yourself, I was engineering and my first job at age 22 required an engineering degree. And I would say that the education acquired did help in this particular job. I don't think I'd be the same person without that 4 year degree. That phase from 18-22 taught me a lot. And you are correct that a college degree won't help you shoot an ILS but that's not the point of airlines requiring a degree.

Disseminate? definition: to spread or disperse (something, especially information) widely. I can see why you don't value your degree.

It also means to distribute, which, is what I used it there for.

Lol what? Reread what you wrote. It doesn't make sense.

When you get a stack of resumes, you review them, and spread them out into different tiers. A college degree allows you to focus on specific candidates, and not waste your time with either the not qualified, or frauds. If someone has verifiable experience, I no longer need to look at their degree, as I am far and away more interested in their past job performance.

If Delta has access to all our records at Endeavor, the no longer need the degree to try and determine what kind of employee they are getting. They have hired several from here without degrees, all made it through training so far. the two the didn't make it, both had degrees.

Dumbest thing I have ever read.... Ummm OK!!????

Eh, par for the course. DCI is also the most profitable operation at DL, too for him.

Hahaha I agree, my college education was a lot more than a piece of paper, there was lots of beer and girls to!!!

I got lucky and was in the right place at the right time. I didn't seek out and pay for my short cut.

I too got lucky and was at the right place at the right time. All my paying was for *flight schools.* I never paid a dime to an airline. My interview was the full interview process like any regular street hire.

I don't think you have any room to talk about how the SSP is a short cut, considering Pinnacle had a publish minimums of 1,000TT+ and 200+ Multi at the time you got hired. How many hours did you have? 400? 500? Pinnacle took guys from ATP or Jet U with much less than the published minimums. So based on what you just said. If you think the SSP is a short cut, because of getting hired at Delta without the published minimums, doesn't that mean that you took a short cut too? By going to Jet U and not meeting the published minimum of 1000+TT and 200 Multi? You choose Jet U and took the short cut instead of going out and teaching and fly freight to build time. You went there probably because you wanted to get to the right seat of an RJ ASAP, which is fine, but don't say the SSP is a short cut and later say, you didn't take one yourself.

No matter how you try to spin it, it's a shortcut... Call shy out for whatever you want, but don't be a hypocrite when you do. That's all I'm saying.

I'm still waiting for the data that says otherwise.

Swamp, it's true because HR doesn't have the time to go through, and evaluate every app they receive. You get many applications from people who are applying for a job they are not qualified for, and or faking their resume. A degree is simply a screening tool so you don't waste your time. You can fake your experience, you can not fake your degree. If you don't believe me, start a company, and put out job adds.

I never said that. It's the other way around, the SSP guy calling me for a short cut. And PCLCrew added that if you're gonna call out a jetU shortcut, then recognize that SSP was one as well.

As for 9E's bridge program anyone could have done what I did and do a bridge program. In fact it was advertised right on the flypinnacle.com website as you see here:

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Careers

He probably meant discriminate.

Unbelievable banter. Delta pilots bickering with us regional folk. By the way, why does anyone give a darn about how one gets the job? It's no one else's bloody business.

Any word, but that one, when you talk about hiring, but yeah.

+1 You are what you can negotiate.

Clarification was provided for the SSP and the hiring commitment. The union and the legal team and Delta all agree that the hiring commitment in the agreed upon numbers will continue for all CJO holders even after the last SSP eligible pilot has interviewed. It sounds like the possibility of increasing those numbers might even be on the table. So while the bridge agreement might be poorly worded the intent of the agreement will be honored.

It is my understanding that there is a long-term plan that Delta has for Endeavor. The needs of the company in the next few years for pilots will be extremely high as the hiring now is for expansion and hasn't really been for attrition due to retirements.

Endeavor, is a way to "train" pilots to fill their needs, so when brought to mainline, it is simply a new type that the candidate is training for as the "Delta" way would already be a part of their DNA.

They are full steam ahead with changing the current SOP's to match theirs, as the changes are evident with the 900’s and still being modified.

What all the naysayers need to understand is Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan are dead. Delta wanted to start a regional up and did it by buying an AOC and some assets. So let the ghosts of airline’s past rest in peace, Endeavor is a new beast that will rule the roost, so get in on the ground floor because it will be a Meteoric rise!

I'm assuming they will just extend the SSP indefinitely.

Prepare to get pummeled by the naysayers.

So why did Delta refuse to put that in writing, TWICE? (the original SSP, and the modified FO agreement):eek:

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You're really reaching hard to justify the existence of 9E. It's what we call a stinky turd covered in some bonus cash. It's still a turd deep inside.