The release is clearer... do not call gatekeeper, just go to the gate you received during in-range call. (Paraphrasing here, but it’s on the release)
I’ve only seen once where we got to the gate and it was occupied, but I’m not sure if that was before the new system was in place or after. So from now on, no more gatekeeper calls. If we get to a gate and it’s full, I’ll call ops and let them handle it.
Originally Posted by vessbot
(Post 2452298)
Well, not exactly. It's really unclear what they meant in the memo. It says not to call for a gate assignment, but does that mean not to call for gate confirmation for what you got over ACARS? Also, it clearly says not to call Special Assist about anything routine, but that doesn't mean Gatekeeper.
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2452168)
Are rsv captains dual-Qualified to fly both seats? Do they get called for trips in either seat?
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So for most people, this TA results in a paycut, but I dont understand why everyone is saying we have to credit 83 hours a month to break even. With the 83 hour [B]diviser[B], we are taking a $2250/annum paycut at min guarantee. That comes out to be 78 hours credit a month for second year FO, and 77 hours credit a month for a 3rd year 900 captain. And no, that's not including the mickey mouse perdiem increase, or the 401k, which again is a joke. Still a paycut at min guarantee, what I want to know is, why are people saying we need to credit 83 hours to break even.
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Originally Posted by Squak1200
(Post 2452414)
So for most people, this TA results in a paycut, but I dont understand why everyone is saying we have to credit 83 hours a month to break even. With the 83 hour [B]diviser[B], we are taking a $2250/annum paycut at min guarantee. That comes out to be 78 hours credit a month for second year FO, and 77 hours credit a month for a 3rd year 900 captain. And no, that's not including the mickey mouse perdiem increase, or the 401k, which again is a joke. Still a paycut at min guarantee, what I want to know is, why are people saying we need to credit 83 hours to break even.
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Originally Posted by teddy3412
(Post 2452433)
Because they were told the current rate was based on 83 hours a month. So they think it takes 83 hours every month to make the same amount when in reality it takes what you just said to credit the same amount.
I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same. The math: CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21 CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3 $88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389 $111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219) $111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389 |
Originally Posted by Squak1200
(Post 2452414)
So for most people, this TA results in a paycut, but I dont understand why everyone is saying we have to credit 83 hours a month to break even. With the 83 hour [B]diviser[B], we are taking a $2250/annum paycut at min guarantee. That comes out to be 78 hours credit a month for second year FO, and 77 hours credit a month for a 3rd year 900 captain. And no, that's not including the mickey mouse perdiem increase, or the 401k, which again is a joke. Still a paycut at min guarantee, what I want to know is, why are people saying we need to credit 83 hours to break even.
This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it. Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them. Vote yes, vote the pay raise. |
Rainmaker?
When will November's schedules load in rainmaker?
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Originally Posted by Theoden
(Post 2452457)
Very interesting. I just did the math comparing a 10 year 900 Captain and found the same thing, that there is a difference of about $2,220 comparing the current book with bonus to TA without. In that case, one would have to work a maximum of an extra 1.6 hours per month to make up the difference.
I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same. The math: CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21 CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3 $88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389 $111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219) $111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389 |
Originally Posted by Theoden
(Post 2452457)
Very interesting. I just did the math comparing a 10 year 900 Captain and found the same thing, that there is a difference of about $2,220 comparing the current book with bonus to TA without. In that case, one would have to work a maximum of an extra 1.6 hours per month to make up the difference.
I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same. The math: CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21 CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3 $88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389 $111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219) $111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389 I’m changing my prediction to this pilot group voting YES now because of the carrot being dangled but I assure you that you will see less money in the bank roll than you’re currently getting with the bonus. Go fish. |
Originally Posted by vessbot
(Post 2452298)
Well, not exactly. It's really unclear what they meant in the memo. It says not to call for a gate assignment, but does that mean not to call for gate confirmation for what you got over ACARS? Also, it clearly says not to call Special Assist about anything routine, but that doesn't mean Gatekeeper.
MCDU->ACARS->DEPT/ENROUTE->Gate Request (R5 I think it is) If the gate hasn’t changed then nothing will change. If it has, you’ll see a new gate, receive a SELCAL aural tone, and see a message on the MCDU CDU that says GATE REV* That being said, you never really have to call ops anywhere for anything. They usually know the Special Assist needs already. but if you need blue juice n crap like that, then you call the appropriate freq listed for that concourse in ATL. |
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