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IAFDOF 09-10-2020 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Sperrysan (Post 3126479)
Yeah dismantling nuclear families and pushing communism benefits all of us, sign me up! The only people that misunderstand the BLM cult are the ones blindly supporting it. Screaming at white people about your victim status while they are trying to enjoy a ice cream or meal outside is another way to get people onboard. Nice try. The proper way for companies to address this is the way most aircrew do on the flight deck flight deck; leave politics and religion out of it. Just do your job.

Right on cue!


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 3126389)
Supporting the BLM movement means different things to different people, but I think what Delta is saying here is that we recognize there is a problem and we're not going to be complicit in it. We need to have more honest discussions than what have been playing out. But that's my interpretation.

Agree 100%. The pin is a great, simple way to start a dialogue. I encourage anyone shouting about communism (seriously, what?) to actually talk to someone wearing a BLM pin about what it means to them. You might learn something about another human being besides yourself.

Sperrysan 09-10-2020 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3126483)
What are you even talking about?

I'm talking about the airlines openly supporting a communist movement that is not a good direction for our country to go. You can say what you feel BLM actually is and means, but looking at the facts it is an openly racist movement used to divide Americans even further. BLMs plan to fight racism is with more racism. Police violence with more violence. MLK Jr. would be rolling in his grave if he saw what the US has done to freedom and race relations. My point of all of this, regardless of where you stand, is airlines should stick to what they do best, move passengers from A to B. That is it.

See citations attached. If they work

Ice cream
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...d=182919686769

Dismantling nuclear families block quote

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

pad39a 09-10-2020 06:02 PM

I have noticed that those who support BLM often support it for different, less divisive reasons than some of those found on the BLM website. I don’t think the difference between the “movement” and the “organization” is effectively publicized and appreciated. I personally did not realize until recently that BLM is a loosely organized collection of local chapters, so one cannot define the organization or the movement by the comments of a handful of local BLM chapter members/leaders quoted in the media.

It’s a shame that in many cases the divisiveness of a few gets most of the airtime while the wonderful, unifying, positive and equitable elements of the movement get glossed over in the media. I think if those elements were better understood, many would have fewer reservations about lending visible support to the movement.

Sperrysan 09-10-2020 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by pad39a (Post 3126518)
I have noticed that those who support BLM often support it for different, less divisive reasons than some of those found on the BLM website. I don’t think the difference between the “movement” and the “organization” is effectively publicized and appreciated. I personally did not realize until recently that BLM is a loosely organized collection of local chapters, so one cannot define the organization or the movement by the comments of a handful of local BLM chapter members/leaders quoted in the media.

It’s a shame that in many cases the divisiveness of a few gets most of the airtime while the wonderful, unifying, positive and equitable elements of the movement get glossed over in the media. I think if those elements were better understood, many would have fewer reservations about lending visible support to the movement.


I agree with you fully! Now Try and apply your critial thinking in the same fashion for Trump supporters and "white supremacists".

As for visible support, I would gladly support if BLM chapters denounced public racism directed to white people, assaulting cops, and violent rioting under the name of BLM. Once you denounced that stuff we could have a conversation, otherwise you are complicit in the destruction of our Republic.

preflight 09-10-2020 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Sperrysan (Post 3126525)
I agree with you fully! Now Try and apply your critial thinking in the same fashion for Trump supporters and "white supremacists".

As for visible support, I would gladly support if BLM chapters denounced public racism directed to white people, assaulting cops, and violent rioting under the name of BLM. Once you denounced that stuff we could have a conversation, otherwise you are complicit in the destruction of our Republic.

If you cannot wear an American Flag tie, like many other airlines allow, NO FLARE for anybody...just my $0.02

N1CEandEZ 09-10-2020 06:23 PM

It’s amazing of all the things people can get worked up about they throw a hissy fit for this. If you don’t like it don’t wear it - nobody is saying you have to.

Sperrysan 09-10-2020 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by N1CEandEZ (Post 3126534)
It’s amazing of all the things people can get worked up about they throw a hissy fit for this. If you don’t like it don’t wear it - nobody is saying you have to.

Nobody is saying you have to wear it....yet. But hey show how suave you are on an internet fourm. Forbid you discuss things on a fourm to discuss things.

pad39a 09-10-2020 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Sperrysan (Post 3126525)
I agree with you fully! Now Try and apply your critial thinking in the same fashion for Trump supporters and "white supremacists".

Yes, a very similar argument can be made regarding the president’s words vs actions and supporters, but for some reason that sort of talk is less popular.

Politics is fun but we should get back to business with a crystal ball peering contest. When are we going to start hiring again? Or get 175s?

Meow1215 09-10-2020 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by pad39a (Post 3126565)
Politics is fun but we should get back to business with a crystal ball peering contest. When are we going to start hiring again? Or get 175s?

2021 - maybe for hiring.
175s - when we get stapled to Delta.

Casualinterest 09-11-2020 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by Sperrysan (Post 3126525)
I agree with you fully! Now Try and apply your critial thinking in the same fashion for Trump supporters and "white supremacists".

As for visible support, I would gladly support if BLM chapters denounced public racism directed to white people, assaulting cops, and violent rioting under the name of BLM. Once you denounced that stuff we could have a conversation, otherwise you are complicit in the destruction of our Republic.

*Some Trump supporters are racists but that doesn't mean all Trump supporters are racist.

*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.

I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.

First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?

Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.

Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?

Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?

It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.

You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...

As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.

The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.

And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)


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