https://youtu.be/mT2rlJe9cuU

How many blm supporters have you personally spoken too? Might be why none of them have told you how they feel about the riots.

I don't support rioting and destruction, but I support the blm movement.

​​​I don't like to see rioting and wish it wasn't happening, but I certainly understand how you can reach a breaking point after seeing continued injustice after injustice over and over again your entire life. They tried talking. It didn't work. They tried peacefully kneeling. It didn't work. They tried peacefully gathering. Were still beaten and assaulted.

​​​​As to political support. I believe that the various blm organizations would support whatever party took their issue seriously and was willing to have a serious dialogue on how to improve conditions in poor and minority neighborhoods. Maybe that's just not the gop.

Regarding the source of the rioting??
You mean this kind of thing?
https://medium.com/@kevinjshay44/right-wing-provocateurs-likely-inflaming-protest-violence-bcf1c48e1d40

https://www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Guy made some good points, but it's all anecdotal in that he does a one to one comparison. If he chose 20 black men that got shot and 20 white men that got shot that doesn't mean you stand an equal chance of getting shot. I go by statistics and data. And there is a plethora of it.

"....The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more. Finally, analysis of police shooting data as a function of county-level predictors suggests that racial bias in police shootings is most likely to emerge in police departments in larger metropolitan counties with low median incomes and a sizable portion of black residents, especially when there is high financial inequality in that county."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634878/

Where was BLM before Trump? The stats didn't begin after Trump became POTUS. All we have herd since Trump is non stop rhetoric from the left and MSM about white supremacist and racist and how bad Trump is. This is not promoting Trump but he hasn't been the evil bad guy they like to make him out to be. Since he has been POTUS a more aggressive behavior has been prompted by the left that imply Trump is a racist and white supremacist. How many Trump supporters have been attacking people? So the left is promoting racism from the right and then you have Mr Floyd's murder and IMMEDIATELY it was racism before any investigation. Maybe it was or poor police procedures. Does anyone know about Tony Timpa? If not why not. Yes blacks have been treated poorly and that's probably putting it extremely lightly. But improvements have been made and good police actions get ignored while bad behavior is always highlighted as if it's rampant everywhere. Of course one wrongful death is always one to many but the rampant racism I don't see it. Police and politicians need to be always watched over and held to higher standards. If you want to use statistics they can be used to support a narrative in various ways. How many BLM leaders have been to Chicago to stop the violence? How many leaders have gone to the rioting and tried to stop it? Where is all the money going into the BLM movement and is it being used politically? If it's used to support people we don't then why should we support it? I just only see it as another thing that came along but looking deeper the money isn't going to or being used appropriately. It also seems like the people that support it wants to imply, well if you don't then you must be a racist!

BLM should really be “Men’s Lives Matter”, but it would be politically impossible for something like that.

FWIW, the blm movement began in 2013. Long before Trump. Seeing the backlash from the peaceful protests that didn't work, and lacking any meaningful political support, BLM sprung out of necessity. Don't pretend these groups didn't exist before under different names. Or that people didn't feel this way. There wasn't any appetite from corporations or the media to cover it. Now there is.

​​​​​I don't know any of my friends that would say you're racist if you don't support blm. You don't give people enough credit. If you don't support the movement that's the start of a larger conversation I would have not on APC. But I'll give people the benefit of the doubt until I can't.

​​​​​​I agree that improvements have been made, and policing is likely improving. How much of that is from a younger generation of police, how much is from body cams, how much is because of the pressure that has been put on departments of the past couple decades by small groups and politicians.

Here's the problem with the anti-blm conversation people keep trying to start. It's always questions and deflections. What about Chicago? What about this? What about that? But this. But that. Look at that one blm leader who says "crazy" things. It's always attempts to discredit the movement and shift focus away from the issues. Police do good and important work all around the nation and in places like Chicago, where gun violence and gang violence is high. No question. Many average people who consider themselves blm supporters but are not part of the organizations would say the same thing. They would also say that police are overworked and mis-utilized by having them try and solve all of the problems that our other systems create. public schools, healthcare, financial systems, justice system, etc.

​​​​​​And here's some stuff from the Chicago blm chapter.

On the looting, the co-founder of Chicago blm
“I think the goal of the preoccupation around property damage and looting specifically, along the Mag Mile and in the heart of the city’s commerce center, works to distract away from the actual cause of the outrage, the important thing is to intervene and remind people what the causal incident was and continues to be.”


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I hate that I’m going to die on this hill, and get involved in this, but every single airline has allowed their employees to wear Black Lives Matter pins, and let’s say Delta took the highroad and said no, what would that say about Delta and the public opinion in the media? There isn’t some hidden agenda, it’s all about public perception. John Q Public gets his information from CNN and when he sees that every single airline in the United States allows their employees to wear it and if Delta does no what do you think average American would say about Delta? Would there be a boycotts?, Would there be cancel culture on Twitter? We can make mountains out of mole hills about what Delta is ultimately trying to do, but it’s ultimately about public relations. Ultimately it’s like what would happen if delta decided not to show up to women in aviation, or the national gay pilots Association conference. What kind of message would it send? At the end of the day, sometimes just allowing things to happen is easier than saying no and dealing with the public fall out. Mob rule is in effect in terms of the media, you can’t forget that. Do you really think that corporate America puts up rainbows during pride month because they genuinely care?

Unfortunately you are probably right. This might be more about the optics that the cause. I guess we'll see. I hope not though

Exactly - never mind the literal 1,000s per year killed in multitudes of homicides. But if a white cop (who shouldn’t have had a badge to begin with) does it then the other 700,000 LEOs and the core principle of law and order is at fault too. Therefore rioting and/or civil unrest (or peaceful protests as some call it) is “understandable” as it is at the breaking point since kneeling didn’t work. So it is all condoned and approved. Ridiculous!

I wish I had your eloquence and writing abilities. That's on me for not taking advantage of my English in school. Anyway I am interested in what you say which is not meant to be argumentative or opposing but genuine interest. Would you mind commenting on this:
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/660045331530051/