Well I think there used to be? Maybe it changed with AQP and differences training. I'll have to check. That'd be weird if you could upgrade from 200 CA to 900 CA on the very next vacancy

LOA 47

5. Upgrade Training

a. A First Officer will be eligible to upgrade to Captain while subject to an
equipment freeze, except when that freeze was a result of an unsuccessful
Captain Upgrade training event (Section 11.C.).

b. A First Officer who upgrades to Captain will be subject to a twelve (12) month equipment freeze.

7. Voluntary Bid to Higher Paying Category

A Pilot who voluntarily bids for and successfully completes training for a Category
that pays a higher rate of pay as the Category held by the Pilot at the time of the award shall not be subject to a freeze, except as stated in paragraph G.5.b., above.

So YES there is a seat lock. 1 year from completion of training. Simplified.

That's like saying, "only a small percentage of American citizens (Endeavor pilots) have defected to ISIS (hired by the competition)".

No matter how small the number, it's not impressive. Point is that they are willing to let good employees, that are increasingly harder to find, go directly to the competition.

This will catch up with them.

LOL Please.

You don't think there's a few dozen Eagle/etc pilots that have wet to other airlines (including DL)? I assume you're in favor of a flow. Fine, but IMO DL management isn't ever going to go for that. Nor will they have to. And even if they did, you'd still see pilots leave every airline for other airlines.

Welcome back. I was wondering how long it would take before you replied

No probably not ever going to be a flow. However, management trying to sell these numbers is humorous.

I stand corrected. I had a buddy who was awarded LGA 200 CA and before he started training was awarded LGA 900 CA. I guess the freeze doesn't apply if you haven't started training

Question: Currently holding CJO through SSP and near the bottom of the list. Could they "accelerate" the class date? Not supposed to go until early 2018. Since the last SSP CJO is expected to go in mid 2018, it seems like quite a while before those other two programs started flowing. I figured to increase the movement (therefore increasing attraction to Endeavor), Delta/Endeavor might want to increase the metering of Endeavor people with CJO's into classes. Anybody have any info on this?

"Higher paying position" is the key. You can go from -900FO (any base) to -200 CA (any base). Or 200 FO to 900FO (currently, that's a higher paying position, currently). Next vacancy (you may already be on the line as a 200 CA, still awaiting class, or in the training footprint of your previous vacancy upgrade), you decide, to bid the -900. Well, yea, you still have training to do, but you go and now have a lock since it's a higher paying position. Where this would come into play is 3 ways that I can fathom for the freeze implications... 1. You get online as a -900 CA and realize you are going to be on reserve for a bit, then say "well I'll bid back to the -200". Nope, 1 year freeze in effect. 2. You say, for a multitude of possibilities, that you no longer want to be a CA, to bid back to FO (you can) but you are now out of a left seat for 2 years. 3. You upgrade (900 CA in this example) and a E175 type shows up, yet pays the same as the 900 CA in rate. Being that you just went to the "heavy" or "dream 9", you can't bid the E175 for 1 year as it's not a higher paying position. In situation 3, a 200 CA or any FO can bid the 175CA seat, as it would technically be a higher paying position.

Hope that makes sense. As as usual, the first stipulation in freezes is somethIng to the effect of "The Company may waive any or all equipment freezes on a uniform and non-discriminatory basis".