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Roger Rabbit 03-05-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2314404)
Even if you fail MESA will take you.

Now I heard they'll keep training you till you'll finally get it. Especially if the pilot is serious in passing.

criticalaoa 03-05-2017 01:54 PM

In the crj we had lost 2'out of 3 in the class before mine. The reason was because of attitude. If you show up and put in the the time and be respectful you'll be ok. Do I think it was easy? No, but was it hard? Not really. I just wish they lay out the course outline a little better.

Jersdawg 03-05-2017 03:08 PM

There's a lot of self studying that needs to be done. People can't just show up to class and hope to learn everything there. New hires (and upgrades for that matter) need to be in the books, even during that nice ten day off stretch for CBTs.

Take responsibility for your studying and do it - if that is done, all will be fine. It's a lot and the firehose is in full force, but there is no reason anyone shouldn't be able to pass if they put in the work.

HighFlight 03-05-2017 03:21 PM

That's pretty funny, considering that there are more former Mesa pilots at Envoy than former Envoy pilots at Mesa. You are a sad individual.


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2314404)
Even if you fail MESA will take you.


Icaruss 03-05-2017 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Taco280AI (Post 2314357)
Can't imagine it being any worse than Army flight school at Rucker. Will find out eventually

I think 121 training is a little more compressed time wise. Difficulty should be about the same.

crj700 03-05-2017 04:16 PM

One big mistake new hires make in training is not partnering up in a study group. You don't know what you don't know. If you try to study by yourself, you will miss areas that you didn't know you were weak on.

Start on memory items and limitations as soon as you get your a/c assignment. Learn your profiles to the point you can recite them forward/backwards and start in the middle.

When practicing callouts and flows, add a second activity to the drill. You fly the same way. Balance a marble in the center of a glass plate while walking around the room while making calls. Get a deck of cards and play solitare while reciting calls and flows. Anything to engage your mind with two tasks at once.

WaterRooster 03-05-2017 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Icaruss (Post 2314497)
I think 121 training is a little more compressed time wise. Difficulty should be about the same.

It is, but the study habits that are learned help more. If an Army guy fails it's because he was arrogant. Bottom line

450knotOffice 03-05-2017 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2314459)
There's a lot of self studying that needs to be done. People can't just show up to class and hope to learn everything there. New hires (and upgrades for that matter) need to be in the books, even during that nice ten day off stretch for CBTs.

Take responsibility for your studying and do it - if that is done, all will be fine. It's a lot and the firehose is in full force, but there is no reason anyone shouldn't be able to pass if they put in the work.

^^^^This. This is key, and is really an indicator of how serious one is about making it through training at any airline.

After class in the late afternoon, maybe hit the gym for a bit, take a walk, whatever. In other words, spend a couple of hours in a low stress environment in which your mind can wander a little. Maybe run through callouts, think about limitations, Memory Items. It's a great way to ingrain them in your mind while getting away from "the books" for a bit.

After that, say mid-evening, grab your dinner and relax. After that, head to your room and hit the books. Study that which has been assigned to you. Do the study questions. Likely, you'll end up doing this for a few hours till you're ready for bed.

The next day, same drill.

Through MANY Type training programs in my career, this approach has always worked for me. Basically, you immerse yourself completely in the task at hand, but give yourself a few hours each afternoon to decompress a bit.

MD-11Loader 03-05-2017 06:04 PM

I also suggest spending your lunch in the classroom learning the FMS on one of the computers. This will help tremendously when you get to the box and have to do it for real.

rickair7777 03-06-2017 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2314538)

Through MANY Type training programs in my career, this approach has always worked for me. Basically, you immerse yourself completely in the task at hand, but give yourself a few hours each afternoon to decompress a bit.

This. If you don't do this, your brain will eventually vapor lock.

Training is the worst time to skip exercise, do it daily even if it's just a long walk.

A good diet, especially "brain foods" (nuts, avocado, salmon, etc) will make a noticeable difference. Go real easy on the booze too.

Some people can just gut it out, many cannot.


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