Envoy Flow at 12 Years
09-11-2017 | 08:09 AM
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09-11-2017 | 08:12 AM
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Yes. Projections and simple math. Both of which you apparently have no idea how to do.
For someone on the lower end of the intelligence scale like yourself, let me give you a crash course here. Simply take the amount of flows each month and divide them with the amount on the seniority list and voila, there is your projected flow date. This is where you come up where you stand in the flow, i.e. 5 years from date of hire or 5 years and 9 months from date of hire, etc.
For someone on the lower end of the intelligence scale like yourself, let me give you a crash course here. Simply take the amount of flows each month and divide them with the amount on the seniority list and voila, there is your projected flow date. This is where you come up where you stand in the flow, i.e. 5 years from date of hire or 5 years and 9 months from date of hire, etc.
09-11-2017 | 08:41 AM
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Little do most dont know but the 5 year flow is in the past now. With the current state a new hire won't flow in 5. Not even 6. So why keep selling this? Fake news.
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09-11-2017 | 10:44 AM
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I'd beg to differ. I'd say most know this. I would say however, is that little do the forum company salesmen acknowledge this inconvenient bit of information. It's pretty common knowledge that projected flow for someone hired today is already around the 8 year mark and rising with every large new hire class that starts.
09-11-2017 | 12:15 PM
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Right now, attrition to other airlines is extremely low. The numbers are based on every pilot flowing. I would expect attrition to the other 2 legacies to increase over the next few years when the retirements really start getting out of control.
09-11-2017 | 12:19 PM
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Do you think attrition to other airlines is low because other airlines just aren't hiring like crazy at the moment or b/c Envoy is WO by AA and they rather go pick others for whatever reason right now?
09-11-2017 | 12:27 PM
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While there was the occasional FO hired for the most part the last few years you needed a lot of PIC hours to get hired at Delta or United. By the time you reached that many Captain hours here you were close enough to flow that you stopped trying so hard for the other big two, especially since AA is in a slightly earlier stage of their hiring wave than the others. This has been my experience along with others around my seniority. Obviously some have been hired, but a lot of us didn't become really competitive until we were closer to flowing and then gave up. Of course this trend will probably change.
09-11-2017 | 12:34 PM
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It's still very competitive to get on with one of the 3 legacies. I think more guys would be willing to leave to go to places like Spirit, Jet Blue, Frontier, etc. if there wasn't a flow. But I think a lot of guys would rather just wait it out for the chance to flow to a legacy instead of jumping somewhere else and giving up their flow.
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