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MD-11Loader 11-12-2017 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Chicken Little (Post 2464886)
Why didn't the pilots get a chance to vote on the Reserve LOA presented in October? It seems like a lot of these topics were brought up in that letter but the vote never happened. It was just thrown in the trash?

Because it didn’t do nearly enough to improve the system and ALPA quickly realized that the LOA wouldn’t pass.

moon 11-12-2017 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2464915)
Because it didn’t do nearly enough to improve the system and ALPA quickly realized that the LOA wouldn’t pass.

Also garbage language and gave up too much stuff to get very few gains. The LOA mostly favored the company.

jshoneycutt 11-12-2017 04:35 PM

For non-commuter I imagine reserve is cake. As for one not already living in base and not willing to relocate my life for a stepping stone job, I just need to know I can get to work well rested. Positive space travel to work (to home would be nice too) and somewhere to sleep, exercise, and shower each night.

ORDinary 11-12-2017 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2464930)
Also garbage language and gave up too much stuff to get very few gains. The LOA mostly favored the company.

It is only my opinion, but I don't think at this point there should be any trade-offs. Any contract change should be the company giving to us, for nothing in return. Everything should be a no vote unless it is given to us for free. This company has shown over and over again that they will not offer improvements unless they feel they need to. And if they need the improvements, then we don't have to pay for them. If they need the improvements to guarantee staffing, then let them give us the improvements for nothing in return.

bigtime209 11-12-2017 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Chicken Little (Post 2464886)
Why didn't the pilots get a chance to vote on the Reserve LOA presented in October? It seems like a lot of these topics were brought up in that letter but the vote never happened. It was just thrown in the trash?

Because the LOA was garbage and it became absolutely clear that the vast majority of our pilot group was against it.

bigtime209 11-12-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2465035)
It is only my opinion, but I don't think at this point there should be any trade-offs. Any contract change should be the company giving to us, for nothing in return. Everything should be a no vote unless it is given to us for free. This company has shown over and over again that they will not offer improvements unless they feel they need to. And if they need the improvements, then we don't have to pay for them. If they need the improvements to guarantee staffing, then let them give us the improvements for nothing in return.

Couldn’t agree more.

Blackhawk 11-13-2017 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by jshoneycutt (Post 2464987)
For non-commuter I imagine reserve is cake. As for one not already living in base and not willing to relocate my life for a stepping stone job, I just need to know I can get to work well rested. Positive space travel to work (to home would be nice too) and somewhere to sleep, exercise, and shower each night.

All the airport reserve in NYC is no bueno. You're looking at $15-25 in tolls alone every time you drive there if you don't live on LI/NYC. It's making me think long and hard about the lateral move, especially since I'm looking at about 2 years on reserve.

Theaveragejoker 11-13-2017 05:21 AM

Piedmont doesn't have airport standby, so I bet y'all could get that removed eventually.

DilsonWic 11-13-2017 05:36 AM

Don’t forget, it doesn’t matter what gains we can or should get with RSV. It won’t matter until the CS department is Managed better.

Pedro4President 11-13-2017 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Theaveragejoker (Post 2465175)
Piedmont doesn't have airport standby, so I bet y'all could get that removed eventually.

PDT doesn't have enough pilots to have a reserve system. We don't want PDTs QOL. I have had a hard enough time advocating Envoy when we only had 13 day off averages. I can't imagine what it's like working at PDT. Working 11 days a month on trips is insane. I don't get how people actually go to PDT and have a life.


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