Alright fella's. Great ideas and all, but keep in mind that the company reviews these threads regularly. We're basically tipping our hand, and weakening our negotiating power (not like we're negotiating anything right now anyway) by making public knowledge what our bottom line is. As long as flights are staffed and going out on time, the company has no incentive to 'give' or 'negotiate' anything. Send your reserve thoughts and ideas to your union reps. Fly safely!

I see it a different way. The negotiating committee was way out of touch with what we wanted. So until they start listening to us, and actually standing up to the company, it will be on here. It's simple, get this or don't bother putting out an LOA. They didn't listen to the pilot group for the loa they the away, and if that's was the best they could get, well then they need all the help they can get.

Yes the company looks on here, good, now they see we want actual changes and not **** with the typical "if we can" language.

I was talking to the ord CA rep a few months ago, and asked him why they don't stand up to the company, his response "I want to keep my job". That's what we have fighting for us.

First read MY original post about this thread.

No one is negotiating anything or saying what they would or wouldn’t have to have to accept any hypothetical change.

Just wanted to know what made Envoy so bad and what else is out there that is better.

If anyone from another airline wants to say something, great. Just looking for information about reserve.

Learned a lot. Not expecting anything to change one way or the other at Envoy or anywhere else. But great if things get better.

I agree to an extent. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the LOA came from the company after years of union proding them for some kind of reserve relief. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the union DID listen to the pilots when they realized that the loa was not the depth that we wanted. If we direct our officers toward what we want, and they take it to the company, then great. That's the way it's supposed to work. If they don't, then take it to the public pilot group streets, and via for a position on the negotiating committee. This thread produced some great ideas, and took a good reading of what we all want. But for now, from the company's eyes, it's just ramblings. They will do nothing with this. The company will not negotiate with us directly. Rather you have high faith, or none at all in the union, they are the only ones that can intercede on our behalf. Unfortunately it seems that negotiations on reserve have halted. For now at least. I hope you're right, in that the company would see this and be moved to initiate positive change in our direction. But I just don't see that happenening.

Wow! You really think the union gives a ?!”# about anything on a forum?! Can’t even get a response from direct communication with the union.

To me a bigger concern is a forced upgrade and all that goes with it. The reserve problem is just a small slice of why guys aren’t upgrading when they can/should.

Envoy is going to lose current/future pilots if that issue is not addressed. I’m pretty sure no one ever imagined this would be an issue when the forced upgrade provision was put in the contract.

What would better reserve look like?
 

I don’t think they HAVE to fix reserve if they stop metering. More flowing is a no-brainer!

Let me rephrase that. By not metering, I mean 50%. Not 26 pilots a month.

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Was hoping someone could clear up some questions about reserve. Are all pilots on reserve on for 6 days straight? Is it possible to drop days? Drop day 3 so as to avoid a 6 day trip? Can open time be picked up by a reserve pilot If so is it at 200%?

Reserve schedules are usually 2-4 days on followed by the sets of 5 days then 1-3 days at the end of the month. The first day of the month is never built with a day off. The only time you would get a 6 days in a row is if your last trip plus your first trip equals 6 or more days. Contractually we have to have 50% of the lines have three sets of three days off in a row. If a line doesnt have three sets of three days off then four days off in a row will be somewhere in the line.

You can request to drop ANY day you want. However you are more likely to get a drop if it touches a day off. But it could happen.

You can pick up OT. You get paid what the override is. Standard is 150% but if the company declares critical coverage then it is 200%

The reason why they do 5 days is because they want to be able to junior man you into 6 days if needed. They can’t have rsv guys stuck at our stations on day 7.

That's why i try to pick up OT on the day prior. Weather or MX forces a JM/JP then you get a 7d and a JP DH. Then you no show the DH and get 16ish hrs of pay and you get home either that night or early on your day off.