Where in the contract does it say that? It says ready reserve pilots may be asked to finish their ready reserve assignment upon completion of a turn. It also says "reserve pilots" are automatically released upon checking hi3 on block in. It doesn't differentiate between RAP and standby.

The guy who was assigned a turn that was on ready reserve and the guy that called in from RAP to replace him.

Crew scheduling is only going to release one person and it’s whoever gets the jump.

I didn't realize that. Kind of a jerk move to request a release when you are the replacement pilot and the other person just had to deal with standby and a turn, but to each their own.

Your entire Ready Rsv Shift is still technically on your HI3 even when your are assigned a flight. Since the entire shift is on your HI3, you are obligated to complete it unless released by CS. Which sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t.

Ok thanks. There are some people out there who think you're free to go after a turn though, I got some bad info.

Anytime in doubt, contact a union rep. There is often misinformation floating around in the crew lounge.

It happens

This is why it pays dividends to make friends with your fellow reserves. I have been the guy who should not have been released from S1 but touched base with the original S1 and gotten myself released. I’ve also been the original S1 and let the replacement call first and be released.

Rsv is a minefield, but if you work together and communicate life will be a lot better.

Alright good you read the part I was about to reference. Here is “My” rule on this vague situation. I land and check my hi3 if the SO is still there at the original time then I have to stay. If the SO is not there then I’m released. Does that make sense?

My HI3 is the company’s way of telling me what to do. If it’s there then I call if they have replaced me.

This^^^^^^

SO? Why is this not ringing a bell?

Sign Out. The end of your Ready shift. A Ready shift is considered a flight assignment. i.e. 11-1900. 1900 is the SO time (end of shift) on your HI3. So say you’re on S2 from 11-1900. You get called right at 11 for a quick turn. You finish back in DFW at 1700. You check your HI3, your original SO if 1900 is still on your schedule. You still have that flight assignment until 1900 on your HI3. Therefore, you are obligated to complete it. Unless you are realeased by CS. As Pedro said, if you were to do the turn and upon checking your HI3 after finishing the turn the SO time has. been removed, I’d say your obligations have been met by the contract and you’ve completed your assignments.

Excellent thank you

After a lengthy stint on rsv recently, I don’t remember seeing the SO ever moving or disappearing from the end of my ready shift unless I specifically called to get released. I could be just blocking out bad rsv memories though.

I’ve never noticed SO disappearing early either.

So, what are the actual rules on picking up open time while on reserve?
There's an open trip that I should be legal for (not dropping below 8 days, not touching any RSV days) as far as I can read sections 11/12, but I only get "reserve conflict" in DECS.

Are you trying to pickup via the automated system or are you trying to send an RF?

Automated system. I couldn't find anywhere that you can't use it while on reserve, even though the union new hire guide suggests that's the case.
Do I need to wait until the RF period while on reserve?

Yes. You have to wait for the 48 HR window to open and then the next time you can pick up OT is later when everything gets opened back up. Check quick trade will show you in the calendar.

1. You can't start before 10 on your first day.
2. You can't finish after 6 on your last day. (Only exceptions for these two is if you have an airport standby line that will guarantee you 10 hours of rest.)
3. Can't go below 8 days off.
4. OT picked up the day prior must be done before 8 am or after 5 pm or at anytime via reserve appropriation.
5. You can pick up carry over OT into the next month but rarely will that be an option and only before your next month schedule is assigned.

Ok, sounds like I understood it correctly, apart from not being able to use the ATTOT.
I'll try again in a few days when the RF period opens. I've got a block of 5 days off I'm trying to fill.

Reserve pilots can’t use ATTOT at all anyway.

RSV pilots exist to suffer

Looks like ~2 months of RSV for a new hire 175 guy after IOE. Not the end of the world.

In DFW? Lemme go grab some popcorn.

Any reason the reserve list is packed solid with guys through about Feb 2018 doh then?

Junior lineholder is late Aug/18 hire.

So you are telling me all those boys and girls on the reserve list are there voluntarily? Upper 15% or so - perhaps. And the rest?

I don't know what to tell you. 176 pilots in Feb bid, just over 130 lines. 3XP shows junior CMP lineholder (BLK 333) to be a 8/27/18 hire, and junior hard line holder (BLK 244) a 8/13/18 hire.
The lines the junior guys hold have you working every weekend etc, the more senior reserve lines are weekends off. Maybe they bid them on purpose?

If you're an FO on the 175 and don't want to be forced upgraded to the 145, it makes sense to slow play your flight time by bidding reserve at least some if you don't have 800 hours yet.

OH! And the 800 hour part only applies through Feb 28 so no reason to even worry the LOA that forces 800-950 hour FOs to fly anymore. So if you want to delay upgrade, bid reserve even if you already have 800 hours.

Yeah I believe a big part of the senior reserve guys are playing this game.
Looking at the 3XP, there's an interesting hump of semi-senior pilots bidding reserve, and a bunch of people junior to them all holding lines.
If you don't want to fly and you live in base, being a senior reserve guy probably doesn't suck much. You'll never get called, and if something interesting is available for proffering, you'll likely get it.

What I don't get are the top 5 guys at DFL, who could hold lines as DCLs by their seniority already.

Number 1 and 3 DFL are in training for DCL.

But I can assure you anyone after them CAN NOT hold a DCL line.

Top 6 can, less the 1 and 3, so I guess the new top 4 can. And this assuming no DCL above them bids reserve.
Simply because they would be in the top 130 of DCL's based on their seniority.
But yeah, DCL is a super senior position.

Again, not the case. I’m senior to a few of those guys and I can’t even get close to a composite line. The most junior DCL is an April 2017 hire and hasn’t even been to training yet. The guys you are talking about are only a little senior to that. Definitely not able to hold a line.

Look at the seniority list again. That number one on the DFL reserve list is about 180 on the DCL list and a June 16 hire date. Again, no where near a line.

I'm not sure how you are looking at it. The senior DFL (apart from the nr 1 you said who's in training) is seniority 569, a 2013 hire. 569 Seniority would be nr. 109 as DCL, easily a lineholder.

I agree that person could hold a line as DCL. And since that person is not on the reserve list now, I’m sure they will be upgrading soon.

I was looking at who is on today’s DCL reserve list.

But there are people who have been out on medical or military leave that may have recently come back and unless you look at the seniority list that shows where they will be you probably can’t tell who those might be. Those people are all outliers so you can’t use those as the norm.

The easier way is just to see how many hard lines there are, and how many spots from the top those people would be. This is the most pessimistic way to look at it, because some top guys always bid reserve on purpose.

Or for FO's, check 3XP and see who the junior lineholder is. At the moment for DFL, the junior lineholder is Aug/2018 hire. This will probably drop slightly with the new planes, summer flying, and not that much hiring to the fleet.

For DCL also - there's crazy movement coming in the next few months for flow alone. So it's really hard to predict what's going to happen.

Besides. Reserve ain't that bad if you live in base. If not, it sucks.
Some of the guys from our class got a "crew scheduling special" schedule. Nothing like commuting to reserve for one single day with a 6am start. Then home for 2 days, then 2 day block...

Word from the union is reserve talks are done for the foreseeable future, at least 2020 if not all the way to the amenable period. So, those on reserve or thinking of base transferring, be sure you live in that base or can hold a line, otherwise the stink will be real bad.

If you are a DEC applicant, I wouldn't come here. Word is they are ending the program and you dont want to be on the backside of that.

Anyone else thinking of coming here, please live in a base, preferably ORD due to being junior otherwise you will also be stuck with our industry worst reserve rules (for commuters anyway). Think carefully.

Is there a way to '3XP' other bases?

I emailed the negotiating committee with how disappointed I am that there will be no further reserve negotiations. Every pilot contract has an aggregate 'cost per pilot' and what I wanted to know was did the concessions the company was seeking raise or lower the total 'cost per pilot' and how does our 'cost per pilot' compare to the other WO's? They may not share (or have) that information, but the CBAs being public documents - that value should be able to be calculated, even if it is just baselined to Envoy's.

To your first question, I dont think so, however I would just ask here and get an idea of what number holds the lowest hard line. In addition, I often check the union seniority list to gauge where my number falls in the big scheme of things.

To your second question, too preface, I had zero participation in any negotiations, however it was my feeling that the initial agreement we had in place just prior to the beginning of the year, had a very slight increase in cost to the company. Keep in mind, we are in a period when companies are all negotiating higher wages and quality of life for pilots, so this wasn't a huge leap and pennies compared to Endeavor, Skywest, Republic and the like. We did offer a "concession" to get it to the point it was. When the company came back to the table after the new year, they wanted several things that would have saved them money, hence lowering the cost.

To be honest, the company was in the wrong here. We had a deal and they changed it at the last minute and essentially rubbed our noses in crap. It was not in good faith and was asking for a huge concession of grievences just to continue discussion, with no guarantee the deal would be done.

So dont get upset with the union on this one, they did the work and essentially were mislead that they had a deal. This screwup is on the company and they clearly dont care that we have some of the worst rules in the industry, especially for commuters.

The company doesn't care, neither does many of the new hires or recent hires here.

If more would do their research before coming here, instead of being blinded by the big bonuses, screwing over the existing pilots in the mean time they would of known that the bonuses where there to cover up our crappy contract rules.

If no one would apply or accept a job offer for a few short months the company would be forced to change the reserve rules and pay scale. Short term pain for long term GAIN.

We (pilots) are our own worst enemy.

No one is screwing over anyone by taking a job. We don’t have any struck work.