Someone's had too much eggnog.

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Gonna stick up for the lackluster performance of the Union. The lackluster performance of the less than underachieving management? Really you are the problem.

If your gonna stuck up for their lackluster performance then maybe consider joining the union as rep we could prolly use someone as passionate as you are


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What’s this reserve document the MEC chairman mentioned in his last email? Is it coming to a vote soon?

Union and company were working on revised reserve rules. It's been sitting on the company desk for a while now.

Do you think they just held off until the new year or it’s just not gonna happen


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IMO they’re waiting for people to stop applying to turn things around. Reserve rules, comp...

Virtually Unchanged since before 117 went into effect from a 16 year contract back when pilots were a dime a dozen. Every attempt to change the reserve rules never went anywhere because they are the very best reserve rules in the entire airline industry..... for the company.

That exact statement has been made at least 5 times that I’m aware of and never once made it to a pilot vote. The reserve rules work for the company, and the union has given them every bandaid they’ve asked for. No reason for the company to change the rules to make things harder for them.

Unfortunately the company has zero incentive to work with the pilots to improve conditions. Classes are being filled and more suckers are lining up to get in the door. Pedro and RW know that they don’t need to do anything to appease the masses because there are lots of cadets and RTP’s waiting to cash a bonus check.

As one who enjoys a stylish turn of phrase, I liked this post

Rumor is the RTP program is being cut next year. Before this sparks another debate about the value of the RTP program, this is not what I’m saying. But rather this:

If the RTP program does get cut for whatever reason, that means there’s going to be probably 20 people per month, which I believe would have to force the company into at the very least consider pay and reserve rules. Maybe that’s what the union is talking about?


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If you are given a pre-assigned RAP 1 per HI6, can the company change that to a standby assignment out of the blue if you didn’t proffer for it/ don’t want the standby?

Any suggestions?

Did you confirm the standby shift? They can change it to whatever they want, but unless you confirm a new assignment you are officially notified for your RAP 1 and nothing else.

Yes but you still need to confirm it. If you don’t, you’ll revert back to RAP 1 which may not help your cause for getting out of it. If it’s a standby 1 for instance, they’ll just call you at 4am to come and sit standby at 6am... and you’re essentially still standby 1.

Didn’t confirm anything, since the HI6 notification of RAP1 is my confirmation. So, I guess they can call me after 0400.

Bingo. If it's gonna be an inevitable call at 4 for S1, you might as well confirm it tonight instead of getting a wake up call from CS.

This has me thinking...

In LGA/JFK there is a 3 hour call out. So if you had a preassigned rap 1, then saw you had S1, you could not confirm and when they called you at 0400 you wouldn't have to be there until 0700 at the earliest....boom...extra hour of sleep.

I've noticed that they forget about the pre-assigned RAP 1 when it's not supposed to be the first day of your rsv day block, i.e. you DV'd your day 1 and they HI6 you RAP 1 on the new first day. They quietly change your schedule but you don't get a midnight call if you don't confirm. Hard to spank them with this except in NYC unless they don't call at 4 AM and you're off probation/feeling ballsy.

Recently I had scheduling not call at midnight, to confirm my next days assigment. I had not been preassigend RAP1/ wasn’t day 1. If this happens again, is there anything I can do with this?

Yes, enjoy it. Your duty day just started at midnight and you turn into a pumpkin at 1400, pretty much.

Nope. You need 10 hours of rest before you start an assignment. So when they call inform them you need 10 hours of rest.

Lol. Where do people come up with this stuff?? Completely wrong.

Essentially you are on long call. They may think you are on RAP1 and call you for a trip. Just tell them you haven't been assigned a RAP yet and you need ten hours of rest.

In my case, they “assigned” me the late standby shift. My guess is they were going to call me by 0500 to confirm it???

Most likely they just forgot or you slipped through the cracks. It's happened me before and I have two approaches to it. If I haven't worked much then I'll call them and notify them of their error. If I just finished three days of airport standby and the guy that is going to end up doing it because I don't want to hasn't done much then I'll gladly give it to him.

In these cases we aren't screwing the company just the next guy on the seniority list. I wouldn't do it if it's going to cause a commuter to sit S3 on his last day.

A few pages back there were posts re: reserve proffering when scheduled for S3 .

How does it work if you proffer for S1/S2/Trip etcetera? If your seniority can hold the assignment, and you have not been used on S3 by 5p...are you released once you confirm via AVRs?

Thanks!

Being released via confirmation of a flight assignement only works if you’re on a RAP. You cannot simply be released by confirmation of next day assignement if you’re doing Standby today.

The contract is clear on this one, BTW. If you’re not going to read the contract, I’d sudjest not trying to play these kind of games. You’ll get a MA because nameless people in forums, like me, will give you answers that aren’t exactly correct or poorly explained. Just FYI.

Thank you for the info - I have read the contract, and in particular the reserve section many times. I agree that my question made it seem as if I was planning on just walking out of the airport once confirmed via AVRS, but that was never my intent. I was more curious if CS would even award a proffer for an AM trip/S1 if one is currently sitting S2. The contract is not clear on this situation, and frankly I was asking what happens predominately in practice.

Thanks!

They won't assign a next day sequence that interferes with the standby

I will say however that if you are RAP 2 and bid RAP 1 the next day, are awarded it, you will be released early from your RAP 2 so as to allow for proper rest period.

Sorry if sounded harsh but, yeah, it did sound like you were making plans on getting out of Standby early. Felt, I needed to drive the point home. ;-)

They usually skip you and award your early start to the next guy if your current RAP makes you illegal.

Are there any restrictions to appropriating open time out of base?

Nope. Same as in base.

No restrictions but you are lower priority than ppl who try to pick it up in base.

He is asking about reserve appropriation. It's still first come first serve so there is no seniority system involved.

Please remember that when appropriating reserve flying proper etiquette is to contact the other pilot first. There's no contractual obligation to do so but it's generally regarded as a jerk move to not ask permission first.

No offense but it’s hard enough to get a response to a P2P trip on QuickTrade, I’ve never bothered contacting the other pilot. Scheduling will contact them and they will come up with some sort of agreeable solution.

I'm guessing you haven't spent a lot of time on reserve.

Letter 13-13 doesn't offer a lot of protections for the pilot the flying has been appropriated from. There are several ways a pilot can get screwed under B.2.b with nothing they can do about it. And let's not pretend like preventing appropriation by signing yourself up for more abuse on the turnback list is a viable option for a lot of guys.

Reserve is bad enough here already. There's no need for us to make it harder on our fellow pilots just because you're looking for a few extra hours of pay or flight time.

I don't see how appropriating screws the other pilot. I'm on reserve and a commuter and I wouldnt mind if someone appropriated some flying from me while on reserve. If someone did I still get the hotels in base without it effecting my commuter hotels and my sign in time will still have to be the same if CS decided to give me RAP for that day instead. I think a call is a little over the top. I probably wouldn't even answer my phone.