Just call scheduling

So it sounds like you put in for a flight that started the day before the trip started. In that case you would have to call CS per our contract before 8 am to request the OT trip pick up.

I don't know if it's a dick move. They are protected on hotels and most of them will enjoy not having to do it. If it's a new guy that needs consolidation then oh well. Get the OT

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CS has been doing this a lot lately. Glad you caught it! Glad you caught it early! File a grievance if they don’t fix it. Seriously. It’s been happening.

Little tit for tat move like this by-CS is why we have a wedge of trust & negativity between our pilots & CS many time over. [MENTION=55356]LineUpAndPay[/MENTION] call the union they’ll have your back & get you answers.

If the Rsv guy on his last day whom they gave the OT trip you submitted for (is NOT on consolidation) then I strongly believe it was not a mistake and the same CS is doing this more often. I’ve been hearing stories about your exact issue going on. Contact the Union anyways.

Folks be attentive to your request and denials. If denied RESEARCH why. Start getting into the contract on your free time on RAP/Standby. Contact your rep (new FOs & especially new CA’s to ENY) with questions.

Do any commuters on reserve not fly in if they are high enough up the list?

If I do end up commuting in when I am supposed to be sitting RAP does this raise any red flags in the system?

I stayed home and remodeled my entire house in a month. No one said anything.

People do. But it’s a great way to get fired.

Here is the Unions guidance from Febuary.

"Contract Compliance Committee - Reserve
The Contract Compliance Committee wants to be abundantly clear on what is and isn't required of you while sitting RAP as a reservist.



First the not so obvious. There is no contractual requirement that you be in domicile (at the airport at which you are based) when sitting on a Reserve Availability Period. You are required to return a phone call, within 15 minutes per Section 12.C.3. This phone call in turn must comply with the requirements set forth by Section 29.R, which states:



When contacting a pilot, Crew Scheduling must include the reason for the call and any assignment, to include the sign in time and duration of the sequence, when leaving a voice message for a pilot. Example: Crew Scheduling is calling to notify a reserve for a three-day trip assignment that signs in at 9am, or a change in sign-in time, or a cancelation of a flight, or an involuntary junior man overnight trip that signs in a 4 pm.



So long as scheduling's message complies with Section 29.R, you are subject to receiving a missed assignment should you fail to comply with the 15-minute call back window, or report time applicable to your domicile.



Again, there is no contractual or FM1 requirement that you live in domicile. Additionally, neither the contract nor FM1 specify what mode of transportation is utilized to satisfy the 2-hour (or 3-hour) callout. Should you choose to sit in Boston airport at Legal Seafood for any one of the 30 daily flights to NY, as long as you make the callout time, there is absolutely no basis for management concern, nor is there any.



As an additional note, if you are released for the day at noon, and receive a phone call to confirm your next day proffer or assignment at 8pm, you are not required to answer that phone or return their call. Once you are released that is your time off, and your time to rest. It belongs to you to do with what you please.



That said, please be cognizant of your CBA and its requirements."

LOL.... If you want to stay home and not commute in on your day off then call CS and say hey look theres 20 pilots on reserve that you have to call before you get to me. Can I just stay home tomorrow and not commute in? If they say yes then you are good to go.... if they say no then get to base.

LOL will this ever happen though? They’ll laugh at you and say we need you just in case. Correct me if wrong...otherwise don't play with your job. It’s just not worth it

Yeah sure, that’ll happen. Best case is you get a drop reserve (not paid) or call for release early

Absolutely correct. Be in position within the RAP call out window. If you want to play ganes it’s your risk and accept the repercussions that come with them...if on probation that could mean termination.

I have had several FOs tell me CS proactively called them and tell them they can stay home. So yeah it can happen.

That has to be part of some crew scheduling scam. I just can’t figure it out

You can’t trust CS

I like the schedulers by and large.

You are a new guy! Once you get burned by them you will have a different opinion. Lately they have been fine. Most are actually nice but when push comes to shove they have to fill seats and the contract gets thrown out the window. It's nothing personal it's just how it works.

Yeah there is a new lady there that has generally been nice but I agree, once **** hits the fan the contract means nothin lol. Griev it and fly.

You’re right, I am new. But I have had them stick it in my ribs and twist, blowing up my chances to commute after I saved them from what I strongly suspect was their own monumental incompetence and still generally like them. They’ve thrown me bones w/ early releases, better hotels, rebooking Limos and stuff like that.

I have come to an apathetic point of view towards CS. I just live by one simple rule - be nice and occasionally funny. That seems to get me what I want most often. I think the trick is to know how CS operates and live within those "reasonable" standards. S3 guys calling to get released before the last flight is off the ground just annoys CS. Calling and asking to be released when the last flight is off is more acceptable. Reasonable is a term that has two meanings. The pilot vs CS definition is drastically different. Figure it out and you won't be as frustrated.

so wait, we actually get limos?

I always request the Chrysler 300 version.

No you want the rusted out silver Chrysler voyager from rockaway auto or whatever they call themselves

Sure. Anything without wings. You just have to use your imagination a little. Closest I’ve come is a Towncar. More likely a clapped out Town and Country. Like I said, close your eyes and try and imagine your not sitting on a cushion with a piece of gum stuck to it and springs sticking out smelling the cigarette smoke from the driver.

lol, yeah some of the "taxi" companies we occasionally contract with, especially in one particular southern town are nothing short of disgusting. I mean, nasty, smelly, dirty, filled with newspapers and the like.

As said above, just close your eyes and pray for the ride to be over with. It was comical in the end, but I only had to do it once.

Envoy 14:1-7


1 For the pilot was burdened with a journey of jamaica to flushing and was without the lord
2 and at the bequest of crew scheduling did appear a lincoln
3 and the bequest was fulfilled in the church of the golden touch amongst the refuse of the tired under the guidance of a clergy known as "tim"
4 Lo the pilot was then with the lord, and allah, and vishnu, and odin, and anubis, and frankly any god who would listen to his plea
5 for tim kneweth only of the accelerator and the horn yet not of the brake or the turn signal
6 and so it did pass that the pilot was unburdened of all emotions save fear and panic
7 for the van wyck is long, and full of terrors

I wish this was a forum that did 'likes' or 'specs' or whatnot. Awesome post!

That is great!

This should go down in lore for this forum.

Reserve list question

PROJ
GTD
ACT/SKD

I kinda get the general idea, but anyone knows how those actually work?

Its not important. Just know that once you hit 60 on anyone then you are subject to time balancing on the call outs for CS.

Thanks!

Filler

They go by PROJ.

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Death from laughter!!! Great finish. Literally the truth.

Wondering if anyone has some info on when the last turn departs from DFW on the EMB145. I’ve been on RAP2 lately and would like to know when it’s “safe” if it’s my last day.

A decs entry would go a long way!

RGG/DFW/EMJ/29AUG/1305/2359
1305 - start of the time range, 2359 - end

Rgg/Dfw/all/29sep
Rgg/Dfw/emb/29sep I can't remember if it's emb or emj. I have also seen guys input a time range in there as well but I don't mess with it. I just input MB and it takes you to the end.

So this give you a lot of information and the far right has the important information. It tells you where the flight is to and the the last part tells you where the flight overnights. So if the flight over nights somewhere other than the flight you know the plane will come back or go somewhere else. This isn't full proff but it helps a bit.

Also it shouldn't matter much because you don't leave until you get released. They can always have you come in and sit standby til 11 pm!!!!! Just call and say hey can I catch this flight home it's my last day on RAP 2 there are X number of guys below me.

RGG/<airport>/<equipment >/<ddmmm>

Is TL like an extra day off?
Anyone know how to get TL on their reserve month?
I've been selecting TL when bidding and I've never gotten them.

Yes its a day off to comply with the 30/7 117 rule (stands for Transition Legal). It will only be given if there is a conflict from the previous month.

got it, thank you