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Bigpimppilot 03-16-2018 01:32 AM

If you proffer for rap 1 and then standby they will give you standby first if it’s available. Standby counts as a flight assignment and therefor has a higher priority than rap. If you feel you’d be settling for standby then don’t bid for it at all.

highfarfast 03-16-2018 02:08 AM

Yeah, if you'd rather have a rap, do not put a standby in your preferences at all.

f16jetmech 03-16-2018 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2551735)
Man, when I was on reserve, I called nearly every day to be released early from both RAP and standby. I commute but it's an easy one to commute daily from so there were a lot of times where going home just for the night made sense by being released a few hours early.

Anyway, standby is definitely harder to get out of than RAP, but not impossible.

Don't worry about pushing your luck or feeling cheaky about calling too early. Just call and ask. Worst thing is that they say 'no'. If it really is too early, when you call later for the next flight option, they'll remember you really wanted to get out of dodge earlier. Best case, you're released the first time you called. There is no penalty for asking.

If it's your last day, whether you're on standby or RAP, if they hesitate about releasing you, ask them if there are any turns left you're good for and remind them it's your last day. My experience, just them knowing it's your last day is often enough and it's not always obvious to them that it's your last day.

Be nice and courteous on these calls. Don't pick a fight. When they remember you from the last time they talked to you, you don't want them expecting a confrontation.

I agree with all of the above. I think the having a humble mindset will help. I mean, if I'm on rap2 and they release me, that's not owed to me. I'm on call until midnight and even an hour early release is an hour they didn't HAVE to release me. We're here to work, not get off early.
Now with that said, I want as much time as I can at home... But I ain't throwing a fit it they don't let me catch the 3 o'clock back to Dallas.
Part of my mindset probably comes from the military where getting off 30 min early was a flipping miracle.

Sheg0theD 03-16-2018 04:24 AM

Reserve rules
 

Originally Posted by f16jetmech (Post 2551842)
I agree with all of the above. I think the having a humble mindset will help. I mean, if I'm on rap2 and they release me, that's not owed to me. I'm on call until midnight and even an hour early release is an hour they didn't HAVE to release me. We're here to work, not get off early.

Now with that said, I want as much time as I can at home... But I ain't throwing a fit it they don't let me catch the 3 o'clock back to Dallas.

Part of my mindset probably comes from the military where getting off 30 min early was a flipping miracle.



Agreed^^^

However, if there is nothing else you can do there is no reason to stick around.


Few examples I can think of.

1. No more turns you can do (they would have to junior man you)

2. Do you have 75 hours??? (Look at the captain reserve list see if you can even fly with anyone when they give you this excuse “we may need you to fly a maintenance flight” “we may need you to ferry a plane”

FM1 prohibits green on green..


3. Check the RGG see when the last turn leaves (while on rap depending where you are based add your call out plus 45 minute show time). RAP1 for LGA guys usually won’t be used past 12 ish.

4. Learn section 12 or the contract.
For example.. the contract states a pilot on reserve their last day shall not be assigned a PM standby assignment, unless no one else is available.

Like everyone else mentioned, be nice and considerate (let them know you are appreciative)






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cabotage 03-16-2018 05:27 AM

OT limit?
 
Is there a limit to how many days and/or hours a reserve pilot can be paid above guarantee for open time in a month?

I feel like someone told me three days but I can’t find it in the contract? Maybe I’m just skipping over it.

Sheg0theD 03-16-2018 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by cabotage (Post 2551879)
Is there a limit to how many days and/or hours a reserve pilot can be paid above guarantee for open time in a month?



I feel like someone told me three days but I can’t find it in the contract? Maybe I’m just skipping over it.



We can’t go below 8 days off a month.


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cabotage 03-16-2018 05:59 AM

ah gotya, that's what it is. thank you!

Bigpimppilot 03-16-2018 07:35 AM

Bid a conflict during transition and be able to pick up 4 days. Make the ot count during the 48 hr window

Naviator 03-16-2018 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by FullThrust (Post 2551514)
I don’t see why you can’t get an 8:30pm flight home on rap 2. Even on the worst day CS will let you go at that hour on rap 2 on your last day.

And .... they did. You are correct sir. She released me at 7:30.

Pedro4President 03-17-2018 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 2552574)
And .... they did. You are correct sir. She released me at 7:30.

Did you try earlier?


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