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Naviator 03-17-2018 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2552664)
Did you try earlier?

Yes, I called at 6 which was just after the last turn departed. She said call back after 7 and she’d see what she could do.

highfarfast 03-17-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 2552724)
Yes, I called at 6 which was just after the last turn departed. She said call back after 7 and she’d see what she could do.

That's unusually late for a last day rap to get released. Sometimes you get someone like that but don't let it stop you from trying.

highflyer1980 03-17-2018 06:49 PM

Reserve rules
 
Not sure who is still there or not, but get to know who is cool and who is just covering their rear. There are certain ones who will help you out and just be positive with them. The ones that do help you really take note if you do help them out on the flip side as well.


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jshoneycutt 03-18-2018 08:50 AM

The 14 hours RAPs here really bothered me at first. Then, I learned to look at RAP as available for duty instead of available for phone call.

Consider 1000-2359 RAP. If they call me at 2000 for a 2200 report and 2245 flight time, I would have to know for certain I could get that plane blocked in by 0000 (1 hour 15 minutes). Otherwise, Envoy is writing a report to the FAA explaining why I was extended past my legal FDP and what they are doing to never let it happen again (14 CFR 117.19).

Deadheading would still be an option, but I can only conceive perfect storm scenarios in which deadheading the RAP pilot makes sense.

Point being, know your 117 limits and asked to be released as appropriate.

I've got lot of arguments that 10-hour RAPs benefit both pilots and company. But as much as pilots would be able to work the system of 10-hour RAPs, so could the company. The devils you know for the devils you don't.

moon 03-18-2018 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by jshoneycutt (Post 2553337)
The 14 hours RAPs here really bothered me at first. Then, I learned to look at RAP as available for duty instead of available for phone call.

Consider 1000-2359 RAP. If they call me at 2000 for a 2200 report and 2245 flight time, I would have to know for certain I could get that plane blocked in by 0000 (1 hour 15 minutes). Otherwise, Envoy is writing a report to the FAA explaining why I was extended past my legal FDP and what they are doing to never let it happen again (14 CFR 117.19).

Deadheading would still be an option, but I can only conceive perfect storm scenarios in which deadheading the RAP pilot makes sense.

Point being, know your 117 limits and asked to be released as appropriate.

I've got lot of arguments that 10-hour RAPs benefit both pilots and company. But as much as pilots would be able to work the system of 10-hour RAPs, so could the company. The devils you know for the devils you don't.

FAA doesn't care about 14 hour rap exceedance. Part 117 allows for more than that. Our contract however does not, not for a deadhead either.

Pedro4President 03-18-2018 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by jshoneycutt (Post 2553337)
The 14 hours RAPs here really bothered me at first. Then, I learned to look at RAP as available for duty instead of available for phone call.

Consider 1000-2359 RAP. If they call me at 2000 for a 2200 report and 2245 flight time, I would have to know for certain I could get that plane blocked in by 0000 (1 hour 15 minutes). Otherwise, Envoy is writing a report to the FAA explaining why I was extended past my legal FDP and what they are doing to never let it happen again (14 CFR 117.19).

Deadheading would still be an option, but I can only conceive perfect storm scenarios in which deadheading the RAP pilot makes sense.

Point being, know your 117 limits and asked to be released as appropriate.

I've got lot of arguments that 10-hour RAPs benefit both pilots and company. But as much as pilots would be able to work the system of 10-hour RAPs, so could the company. The devils you know for the devils you don't.

Also, think about once the flight is within two hours of the call out then they are required to use the airport standby.

Bigpimppilot 03-18-2018 09:55 AM

Flight scheduled 2:45 after they call you. 2 hours to get to the airport

f16jetmech 03-18-2018 01:56 PM

So i preferenced RAP1 and got RAP2. 2 guys below me in seniority got rap 1. Is there anything I can do about that? Called CS and she said give the next day assignment desk a call @ 5. Seems like BS but wanted to get yalls opinions first.

Tomorrow is my going home day, thats the only reason i actually care

f16jetmech 03-18-2018 02:12 PM

Got a response from "next day assignment desk" that the 2 below me that got RAP1 were "preassigned" so that's why they got it and why it couldn't be changed.

That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?

pitchattitude 03-18-2018 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by f16jetmech (Post 2553535)
Got a response from "next day assignment desk" that the 2 below me that got RAP1 were "preassigned" so that's why they got it and why it couldn't be changed.

That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?

From what I understand and have seen, they only preassign on the first day. I forgot to verify and got RAP 2. They called me at midnight.

A different day I forgot to proffer because I was on a flight and got RAP2. They work what they know and make up the rest and do what they can get away with.


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