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f16jetmech 03-20-2018 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2554561)
Please at least file a fact sheet with union. You don't even have to request any compensation although you would likely get something. The fact is that this situation is the single biggest contract violation CS continues to abuse. You didn't get burned this time but you may get it next time.

Also, I almost always push for a RAP 2 on my last day. The last turn gets back at 9ish. A RAP 1 is contractually available until 7 pm and legal until 8 plus the extension. Plus you avoid the likelyhood of doing the S1 standby shift.

How would I go about filing said fact sheet?

Reason (in my ignorant mind) for RAP1 is that I'm on duty longer come 1000 or so and I can start calling, as opposed to just coming on duty at 1000.

Bigpimppilot 03-20-2018 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2554561)
Please at least file a fact sheet with union. You don't even have to request any compensation although you would likely get something. The fact is that this situation is the single biggest contract violation CS continues to abuse. You didn't get burned this time but you may get it next time.

Also, I almost always push for a RAP 2 on my last day. The last turn gets back at 9ish. A RAP 1 is contractually available until 7 pm and legal until 8 plus the extension. Plus you avoid the likelyhood of doing the S1 standby shift.


Ummmm what? Can you run some scenarios ? And differences between legally and contractual. Doesn’t the bid packet say something about 4am till 6 pm?

Pedro4President 03-20-2018 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2554696)
Ummmm what? Can you run some scenarios ? And differences between legally and contractual. Doesn’t the bid packet say something about 4am till 6 pm?

The 6pm is kinda of an arbitrary number now. Once you get to 10-12 hours of being on a RAP then there isn't much they can tag you with. They can assign flying beyond the 6pm. They just can't call you after 6pm.

You can be called at 4 am to do a turn that ends at 7pm because you are legal to 8pm. (16 hrs.). The 7pm contractual limit is because we can't be scheduled to fly within an hour of max FDP.

Side note they can contractually give you an assignment that ends at 8pm with a DH. Think DFW CVG ORD DFW trip.

yeahbutstill 03-21-2018 07:26 AM

Does anyone know the difference between a composite and a RLF line

FullThrust 03-21-2018 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by yeahbutstill (Post 2555548)
Does anyone know the difference between a composite and a RLF line

Relief line is built from OT as a result of transition schedule adjustments and has no reserve days.

Composite line will have a mix of scheduled flying and reserve days.

yeahbutstill 03-21-2018 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by FullThrust (Post 2555571)
Relief line is built from OT as a result of transition schedule adjustments and has no reserve days.

Composite line will have a mix of scheduled flying and reserve days.

Awesome, I asked around but couldnt get a straight anwer on this

FullThrust 03-21-2018 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by yeahbutstill (Post 2555668)
Awesome, I asked around but couldnt get a straight anwer on this

Also, they are defined in section 2 of the contract if you want more deets

cabotage 03-29-2018 02:53 PM

Trip trade & turn back for OT on reserve?
 
While on reserve and picking up OT, can a reserve pilot flying an OT sequence place themselves on the turn back list and be paid OT for any additional flying?

Next question? Can a reserve pilot trade a trip picked up in OT for a P2P trip with more time and still receive OT pay for that time?

Pedro4President 03-29-2018 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by cabotage (Post 2561395)
While on reserve and picking up OT, can a reserve pilot flying an OT sequence place themselves on the turn back list and be paid OT for any additional flying?

Next question? Can a reserve pilot trade a trip picked up in OT for a P2P trip with more time and still receive OT pay for that time?

Second part first. In order to trade then you have to do it via swaps and drops. But yes it can be done.

So several things to unpack with this one. You can ONLY pick up OT on your days off. So if you have a turn on your day off and you want more flying then just call CS and tell them what's going on and offer to be put on the OT volunteer list or just tell them to add it to your schedule. Also, we have reserve appropriation. This means you can take any over night or turns at the end of a reserve pilots sequence for premium pay. The only exception is if the pilot is on the turn back list then he is protected. I assume FOs within 30 days of consolidation are also exempt.

LineUpAndPay 03-29-2018 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2561477)
Second part first. In order to trade then you have to do it via swaps and drops. But yes it can be done.

So several things to unpack with this one. You can ONLY pick up OT on your days off. So if you have a turn on your day off and you want more flying then just call CS and tell them what's going on and offer to be put on the OT volunteer list or just tell them to add it to your schedule. Also, we have reserve appropriation. This means you can take any over night or turns at the end of a reserve pilots sequence for premium pay. The only exception is if the pilot is on the turn back list then he is protected. I assume FOs within 30 days of consolidation are also exempt.

How does the appropriation process work? There was a 3 day open for tomorrow, finishing on the 1st. During the 48 hour window, I put in for the turn that finished that sequence as OT. It was open, was on the pick up OT list on QT, it worked perfectly with my sign in on the 1st, so I submitted it. So surprise surprise, they assigned the proffer trips to reserves today, so that sequence got assigned, then since the 48 hour window closed today, they processed those requests and I got a denied because it was already a crewed flight HI6. But it's just on the reserve guys sequence. So 1) is it a dick move to appropriate this? Or do most reserve guys appreciate it? 2) is it as simple as calling up scheduling and telling them and then it's done?


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