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NoValueAviator 12-27-2018 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2732212)
Virtually Unchanged since before 117 went into effect from a 16 year contract back when pilots were a dime a dozen. Every attempt to change the reserve rules never went anywhere because they are the very best reserve rules in the entire airline industry..... for the company.

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UncreativeUser 12-27-2018 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2732216)
Unfortunately the company has zero incentive to work with the pilots to improve conditions. Classes are being filled and more suckers are lining up to get in the door. Pedro and RW know that they don’t need to do anything to appease the masses because there are lots of cadets and RTP’s waiting to cash a bonus check.


Rumor is the RTP program is being cut next year. Before this sparks another debate about the value of the RTP program, this is not what I’m saying. But rather this:

If the RTP program does get cut for whatever reason, that means there’s going to be probably 20 people per month, which I believe would have to force the company into at the very least consider pay and reserve rules. Maybe that’s what the union is talking about?


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CrowneVic 12-27-2018 02:25 PM

If you are given a pre-assigned RAP 1 per HI6, can the company change that to a standby assignment out of the blue if you didn’t proffer for it/ don’t want the standby?

Any suggestions?

bigtime209 12-27-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by CrowneVic (Post 2732297)
If you are given a pre-assigned RAP 1 per HI6, can the company change that to a standby assignment out of the blue if you didn’t proffer for it/ don’t want the standby?

Any suggestions?

Did you confirm the standby shift? They can change it to whatever they want, but unless you confirm a new assignment you are officially notified for your RAP 1 and nothing else.

highfarfast 12-27-2018 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by CrowneVic (Post 2732297)
If you are given a pre-assigned RAP 1 per HI6, can the company change that to a standby assignment out of the blue if you didn’t proffer for it/ don’t want the standby?

Any suggestions?

Yes but you still need to confirm it. If you don’t, you’ll revert back to RAP 1 which may not help your cause for getting out of it. If it’s a standby 1 for instance, they’ll just call you at 4am to come and sit standby at 6am... and you’re essentially still standby 1.

CrowneVic 12-27-2018 02:59 PM

Didn’t confirm anything, since the HI6 notification of RAP1 is my confirmation. So, I guess they can call me after 0400.

bigtime209 12-27-2018 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2732309)
Yes but you still need to confirm it. If you don’t, you’ll revert back to RAP 1 which may not help your cause for getting out of it. If it’s a standby 1 for instance, they’ll just call you at 4am to come and sit standby at 6am... and you’re essentially still standby 1.


Originally Posted by CrowneVic (Post 2732316)
Didn’t confirm anything, since the HI6 notification of RAP1 is my confirmation. So, I guess they can call me after 0400.

Bingo. If it's gonna be an inevitable call at 4 for S1, you might as well confirm it tonight instead of getting a wake up call from CS.

pilot6969 12-27-2018 03:48 PM

This has me thinking...

In LGA/JFK there is a 3 hour call out. So if you had a preassigned rap 1, then saw you had S1, you could not confirm and when they called you at 0400 you wouldn't have to be there until 0700 at the earliest....boom...extra hour of sleep.

NoValueAviator 12-27-2018 06:27 PM

I've noticed that they forget about the pre-assigned RAP 1 when it's not supposed to be the first day of your rsv day block, i.e. you DV'd your day 1 and they HI6 you RAP 1 on the new first day. They quietly change your schedule but you don't get a midnight call if you don't confirm. Hard to spank them with this except in NYC unless they don't call at 4 AM and you're off probation/feeling ballsy.

martyByrde 01-02-2019 12:11 PM

Recently I had scheduling not call at midnight, to confirm my next days assigment. I had not been preassigend RAP1/ wasn’t day 1. If this happens again, is there anything I can do with this?


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