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Scenario A:
You bid for a late turn on day one for commutability. After you confirm scheduling calls and informs you that your turn has been appropriated and you'e been assigned a nasty 4 day that is all late night flying making it impossible to commute home on your last day. Normally this 4 day would have gone to a jr pilot but since it's appropriation and starts later than your trip scheduling does it anyway. Scenario B: You bid an AM short turn on your last day in the hopes of getting done early. Your turn gets appropriated and you're re-assigned a much later turn that prevents you from getting home. Perfectly legal, perfectly sucky. Scenario C: You proffer for a trip that includes an overnight at home. Your at home overnight gets appropriated and you get sent to EWR where instead of watching your kids basketball game you get to watch the inmates in the prison shoot hoops in the yard (This actually happened to a cool FO I was flying with. The guy who appropriated his overnight was an ass.) Scenario D: You're new on reserve and are looking for time to make consolidation and cement what you learned on IOE. You get a nice 4 day that gets appropriated so instead you spend 4 days watching law and order re-runs waiting for the phone to ring. Also, I'm not so sure you would get a hotel if your overnight gets appropriated. The language in 11.E.1.d is kind of vague and other forms of displacement (eg. IOE displacement) go out of their way to mention it. Letter 13-13 does not. |
Reserve rules
Originally Posted by KodiakRS
(Post 2737592)
I'm guessing you haven't spent a lot of time on reserve.
Letter 13-13 doesn't offer a lot of protections for the pilot the flying has been appropriated from. There are several ways a pilot can get screwed under B.2.b with nothing they can do about it. And let's not pretend like preventing appropriation by signing yourself up for more abuse on the turnback list is a viable option for a lot of guys. Reserve is bad enough here already. There's no need for us to make it harder on our fellow pilots just because you're looking for a few extra hours of pay or flight time. I spent 3 years on reserve. 4-5hr day trip assigned to a reserve? I don’t see too many situations where appropriating that is going to harm the reserve pilot. If I’m on reserve I’d rather my fellow pilot pick it up for OT and get the 150%. |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2737072)
He is asking about reserve appropriation. It's still first come first serve so there is no seniority system involved.
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Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
(Post 2737603)
I spent 3 years on reserve. 4-5hr day trip assigned to a reserve? I don’t see too many situations where appropriating that is going to harm the reserve pilot. If I’m on reserve I’d rather my fellow pilot pick it up for OT and get the 150%.
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I’ve had an overnight snatched from me leaving me stuck with no options for a place to stay, out of commuter hotels and no vacancy in Chicago due to, of all things, Midwest Fur Fest. My mistake because I wasn’t on the turnback list ultimately but I have a very low opinion of people who appropriate reserve flying. Why do you want a 40 minute hop to/from a CMI overnight? Girlfriend in Urbana?
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2737635)
I’ve had an overnight snatched from me leaving me stuck with no options for a place to stay, out of commuter hotels and no vacancy in Chicago due to, of all things, Midwest Fur Fest. My mistake because I wasn’t on the turnback list ultimately but I have a very low opinion of people who appropriate reserve flying. Why do you want a 40 minute hop to/from a CMI overnight? Girlfriend in Urbana?
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Originally Posted by KodiakRS
(Post 2737580)
Please remember that when appropriating reserve flying proper etiquette is to contact the other pilot first. There's no contractual obligation to do so but it's generally regarded as a jerk move to not ask permission first.
1) There’s no way to contact the other pilot. How do you get their contact details anyway? 2) Appropriation is in the contract and agreed upon by the pilots. 3) The only real dick punch move are the pilots that don’t confirm their morning standby and pass it to the next guy on the list. (Ie that’s not in the contract but a loophole). |
Originally Posted by KodiakRS
(Post 2737580)
Please remember that when appropriating reserve flying proper etiquette is to contact the other pilot first. There's no contractual obligation to do so but it's generally regarded as a jerk move to not ask permission first.
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2737635)
I’ve had an overnight snatched from me leaving me stuck with no options for a place to stay, out of commuter hotels and no vacancy in Chicago due to, of all things, Midwest Fur Fest. My mistake because I wasn’t on the turnback list ultimately but I have a very low opinion of people who appropriate reserve flying. Why do you want a 40 minute hop to/from a CMI overnight? Girlfriend in Urbana?
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Thanks for the heads up guys. Any references that spell that out?
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