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01-04-2018, 04:36 AM

InHouse

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New hire class sizes

Does anyone have info on how the class sizes are panning out? I know a few people who were planning for Envoy, but switched to Endeavor with their new contract. Hopefully the supply/demand curve prompts a pay scale that is equal, if not better. If we want to compete, we got to get in the game.

Planning on 900 new hires this year, right?

01-04-2018, 05:09 AM

Seaplane

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I don’t understand why they would even take the chance of having class numbers drop. Raise the pay to respond to Endeavor and don’t risk losing new hires.

01-04-2018, 05:09 AM

CaptJackSparrow

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Planning on 900 new hires this year, right?

LOL not with the forced upgrades, current pay scale, and pitiful reserve rules...

01-04-2018, 06:20 AM

slip2land

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Last class was 58...75 scheduled for first class in January

01-04-2018, 06:51 AM

Jersdawg

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I don’t understand why they would even take the chance of having class numbers drop. Raise the pay to respond to Endeavor and don’t risk losing new hires.

Agreed. They're playing with fire not doing this and a couple months from now after they clear the backlog of new hires I think we will see the numbers start to drop.

01-04-2018, 07:38 AM

Pedro4President

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I don't think we are going to have trouble with getting pilots in the door. Our only hope is that PSA and PDT struggle to get pilots. If they struggle to hire pilots then we will all likely get pay raises.

01-04-2018, 07:45 AM

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With Endeavor's new pay, flow at 9 years for someone coming to Envoy today and DFW a year away for anyone planning to be Dallas based, I don't see how it would make sense to come to Envoy at this point.

01-04-2018, 08:21 AM

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I don’t understand why they would even take the chance of having class numbers drop. Raise the pay to respond to ******** and don’t risk losing new hires.

Take a quick look at history (2012-2016). I don't think they really care about attracting employess, as keeping pay low has been a primary objective. Attracting/retaining an adequate quantity of employees has historically been a lower priority objective.

In my opinion, it's naive to believe that "pay raises are just around the corner."

These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any other entity or employer.

01-04-2018, 09:08 AM

Jamesthunder

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In my opinion, it's naive to believe that "pay raises are just around the corner."

I think it's fair to peg it at a year from now.

01-04-2018, 09:19 AM

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I’m considering coming back to the regionals this summer if none of the majors call before then. Envoy had been my choice the whole time but now I think I’d rather go to Endeavor.

Forced upgrade to NY is my number one reason not to come to Envoy now. Plus the pay scale difference. Also the positive space on your second commute attemp is huge in my opinion.