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fenix1 01-24-2018 04:26 PM

When does Envoy's current contract expire?
 
I'm curious when the current Envoy contract expires & when a new one would take effect that would need to account for Endeavor/Republic/other regionals' new/current contract in some way. Thanks in advance for any insight you have.

DanRoman 01-24-2018 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2510579)
I'm curious when the current Envoy contract expires & when a new one would take effect that would need to account for Endeavor/Republic/other regionals' new/current contract in some way. Thanks in advance for any insight you have.

I don’t think it expires for another 2-4 years.

ORDinary 01-24-2018 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2510579)
I'm curious when the current Envoy contract expires & when a new one would take effect that would need to account for Endeavor/Republic/other regionals' new/current contract in some way. Thanks in advance for any insight you have.

In 2011 (or 2012?), we signed an 8 year bankruptcy concessionary contract. Then in late 2014 we signed another concessionary contract, this one for 10 years.

1704LIFE 01-24-2018 06:29 PM

Who signs a ten year contract in the aviation game, stuff changes so fast

bigtime209 01-24-2018 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by 1704LIFE (Post 2510687)
Who signs a ten year contract in the aviation game, stuff changes so fast

Oh junior...if you only lived through the battle of ALPA vs Envoy vs AAG over that contract. Those were not good times.

fenix1 01-24-2018 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2510669)
In 2011 (or 2012?), we signed an 8 year bankruptcy concessionary contract. Then in late 2014 we signed another concessionary contract, this one for 10 years.

Thanks a lot, ORDinary - much appreciated.

fenix1 01-24-2018 11:49 PM

Crystal ball time, but what potential exists for management & the Envoy pilot group to re-negotiate a deal prior the end of the current contact in 2024? For how long will the current Envoy contract (including flow...) remain enough to fill classes in competition with Endeavor’s contract (and possibly Republic’s & likely other airlines’)??

daveetasac 01-25-2018 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2510703)
Oh junior...if you only lived through the battle of ALPA vs Envoy vs AAG over that contract. Those were not good times.

Yeah, I remember something about a “Comair II” being threatened buy AAG and Jerry Glass, and a certain east coast airline saying “yes” to a low-ball contract while Eagle and others said “no.”

Worth a google for junior...

CaptJackSparrow 01-25-2018 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2510840)
Crystal ball time, but what potential exists for management & the Envoy pilot group to re-negotiate a deal prior the end of the current contact in 2024?

When all the high value aviators realize that they become low value aviators once they are on property

bigtime209 01-25-2018 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2510840)
Crystal ball time, but what potential exists for management & the Envoy pilot group to re-negotiate a deal prior the end of the current contact in 2024? For how long will the current Envoy contract (including flow...) remain enough to fill classes in competition with Endeavor’s contract (and possibly Republic’s & likely other airlines’)??

There is a limited re-opener for the contract before then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in 2020 both parties go to the table with 2 items they want to negotiate? As far as how long the current contract will keep brining guys in? Well, only time will tell. But I think anyone who thinks the new hire classes are going to take a substantial hit anytime soon are setting themselves up for disappointment. The cadet and RTP pipeline alone will keep a solid stream coming in.


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