TheRaven

If you’re really that unhappy about it, you might want to rethink your chosen profession Snowflake. Suck it up, and deal with it..you’re not the first, and won’t be the last who didn’t get his ideal scenario on day 1. In the grand scheme of things this is a pretty small speed bump in the road.

Be thankful you weren’t thrown into the right seat of a Beech 1900 or a Jetstream, without a flight attendant or a bathroom, flying 6 to 8 legs a day getting paid like dirt...or perhaps sentenced to being a Gringo FO is SJU walking a mile each time you clear customs.....with the mental fortitude you’re showing you’d probably end up hanging yourself from the shower head in your crash pad within a week.

galaxy flyer

Here’s a news flash, there’s a lot of things in life won’t like, but you’ll have to do them anyway. Get used to it.

GF

Slick111

You don't have much "invested" in Envoy. If I were you, I'd bail out and go to an airline which flies the airframe that you want to fly.

Republic comes to mind, and they PAY BETTER!!!

highfarfast

Some of the replies in this thread are pathetic. The OP was asking about what to expect. And honestly, if I were in his shoes, I’d be pretty dissapointed too. I picked Envoy largely due to DFW base. Moving isn’t an option for me. I knew that I’d likely have to commute to another base at first, and I did, but if I had been saddled with the CRJ, I’d be a permanent 2 leg commuter until I was able to upgrade... which wouldn’t be what I was expecting coming in.

Anyway, to the OP, if this really is about not wanting to fly the CRJ as an airframe, I do agree with some of the snowflake comments. But if it’s about base, there are better paying regionals with better work rules. I suggest you find them ASAP. If someone at a future job interview asks why you were at Envoy for such a short time, just say you got a better job offer that you couldn’t turn down. I doubt it will be held against you.

Boris Badenov

Sooooo much Haterade. Yeah, we older guys had it worse. Often a lot worse. Sucks for us. But what, this guy is supposed to eat a poop sandwich when he doesn't have to because we did? Nonsense. If there's another company hiring (and they all are) with bases/equipment which would suit you better, run don't walk over there. You can be sure that if your employment didn't suit their needs they'd drop you like a hot potato...why should it be different on your end? I hope you live in base, upgrade fast, and are at a legacy fat, dumb, and happy post-haste. We are all on the same team, remember?

SilentLurker

I don’t agree with them, people are being hard on you (pause) based assumptions. You were considering MESA vs Envoy. Now you have to deal with your decision of Envoy. From your previous post I believe you live in Texas. I understand why you did not want the CRJ. Now like u mentioned you have to move or live in Chicago which u do not want and did not expect. Plus the class size was suppose to be large and I’m sure u expected a large class, but instead it was a small class, and you found out too late most likely to extend your class date.

1st Welcome to Envoy, it sucks many times over to be part of the fallout in such a company. You will not be the last. Timing is everything in this industry and we have to live with the decisions we make, I don’t see your post above see as you complaining, your seeking for options and ideas and ways to cope and deal with your first 121 job.

This is when a mentor comes in handy.
Your timing did suck man, and you did not get what base or frame you wanted. There are a lot of high ego, selfish people on this site, bravado, and care-less-ness. We make a choice in life and have to deal with it our decisions or exit the situation, seem like your trying to deal with it l, and that’s great man. Envoy does lack stability right now obviously, so keep that in mind. Things could change in 2 month or 2 years. Change does occur often in the Regional 121 industry, so u have to be flexible.

Again, reading some of your post I believe you are now planning on moving to Chicago to help with better QOL. Smart decision. If you are a HVA I would not recommend moving from your current state of resident, until you are “Forcefully” upgrades/Displaced into another equipment. If you are not HVA, and a cadet, or regular street hire without the time to upgrade, the. I recommend moving in base if family structure allows, especially while on reserve for at least 1 year on the CRJ as an FO, or until the fleet dies.

Flow was a big part of your classes decision, others in previous classes coming to Envoy. It’s a major cost free, fish and hook recruitment tool. Perhaps your a HVA, that now realized it was only a gimmick marketing recruitment tool to get you thru the door and a 2 years or + commitment. The suck will continue if you have previous 121 time for a “quick forced upgrade.” If you are a HVA do not sign a long term lease in ORD unless you want to commute from ORD to LGA). This instability for the company really does suck, and can destroy families and relationships. Not sure if Management understands the real impact of their decisions. I pray they do, and decide to stabilize this company.

Other options for you to consider:

Republic has new Pay, second highest in the regional industry. Their CA pay much much better than Envoy and it catches or exceeds Endeavors CA rate btw years 3 and 4 and beyond I believe. Better reserve rules, 12 hour call outs, 1 feet type. Plus a potential new base of Houston, TX. From your previous post I believe you live in TX, and was looking at Mesa Airlines to be closer to your home, and family. Don’t make decisions based on rumors, but if REPUBLIC AIRWAYS does open up a base later this year closer to your home, give them a serious look. They will be more than happy to take someone with 121 experience under their belt.

Explaining your situation is easy! You made a mistake and wanted to be close to family, your family and relationships are important to you. You did not start training yet (happens often), or if you had sick family member (if u did), or what ever reason you left just be honest (if asked), I left because I made a mistake, I should have done better research.

Go where you feel most comfortable, sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side.
If commuting for the FLOW, being on the Reserve an indefinite period of time for the FLOW, taking $21,000– up to $45,000 for the HVA and the FLOW, while your peers at Endeavor & Republic Airways pay their Captains watch much more, and have much better work rules, QOL, and Reserve rules. Not to mention no 12yr Pay Cap. Even Mesa Airlines has better reserve rules, and on par pay as Envoy/WO, better DH Pay, better OT % and critical coverage pay, quick upgrades also as soon as u have the FARs 121 time, without being forced to upgrade and displaced.

The FLOW is a real crowd pleaser. Without the FLOW, this company would truly & realistically take actions to be on par with the rest of the Regional industry reserve rules, and QOL improvements. People are flooding through the doors beyond all our expectations. When attrition takes a hit, and classes dry up of HVA, we will see least talks resume, and some positive changes for this pilot group.

pitchattitude

Pretty sure the OP was not a HVA. If so, he would have had more of a choice on assignment.

A lot of us have been fed a $**! sandwich in this industry in general and at this company specifically. He isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

My guess is he (generic he, could be she) is quite young. (Which is why the CRJ was the only option in class) As a rule the younger folks (of ANY generation) are more likely to jump ship and run. If you don’t have any or few attachments, it is much easier to do.

Do what your life situation can handle.

E175 Driver

Good thing I gots the baby bus when I got here almost 2yrs ago.

E175 Driver

Cry me a river pops. Different times now.

Ijustlikeflying

For real though. No one cares how bad you had it. I’m enjoying the NOW as is most of the pilot group. Maybe if he updated his app now and then and got a degree he wouldn’t still be at Envoy.