They’ll be in NY until their seniority will allow them to base transfer which is also part of the discussion above. They’ll need a normal flow of captains junior to them for that to happen. Instead the normal flow of new captains will be mostly senior to them for about 2 years. They’ll gain seniorty due to other direct entry captain hires after them but movement will be much slower than it has been or will be for the rest of us for approximately the next 2 years.

Well...yeah. That’s part of the equation when taking a DEC position at any airline in the world. It just seems odd posting warnings about something that is inherently built into the position these folks are accepting. Are you worried that they might think their seniority progression will be rapid for the first couple of years??

The folks I know considering this are stagnating at their current shop (I even know pilots at corporate/fractionals that many here might like to work for seriously considering this deal since they have been there 10+ years and won’t hold captain for awhile due to the lack of mandatory retirement). They are unhappy at their current carrier (I know an Endeavor guy considering the Envoy DEC position).

These people generally aren’t stupid, or have no idea what they are getting in to. It makes sense for them and their family to make this change. Whether it’s money, flow, left seat, whatever...

Read the OP. He said he’s getting these from a company handout for direct entry captains. If the people you know think this handout is BS, then great. But I took this thread as a discussion to answer his questions. Not everyone that comes to this forum understands the dynamics of how many pilots we’ve hired the last two years and what that means.

I think the better question is how many DEC are they going to hire?? If they stop hiring DEC this would be the worse place to be. If they are planning to continue and hire DEC life wouldn’t be so bad.


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The current base and line hold times aren't going to be a predictor for NHs. Attrition, NHs, and number/quality of lines are the main factors that will determine ones progression.

The other question is will there be anymore forced upgrades in next 3-6 months as guys hired 2 yrs ago get their time. I don’t see many more dec in the future.

The company is in full force right now looking for HVA. My class of forced upgrades 5 guys have since quit. Come may, I have 30 captains below me on the reserve list.


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That’s not what the company is saying. They are saying they need 300 DEC’s or else they are in big trouble. My understanding is the majority of the 17 new hires are flying very very little thus most of them are nowhere close to hitting 1,000 hours.

For example in my previous stint at Eagle it took me 3 years and 3 months on property to fly 1,000 hours.

I flew with an FO the other day who was a DEC16 hire he only has 400 hours with the company.

Not sure if he purposely didn’t want to fly or if that’s just how the cookie crumbled.


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They very well may be in full force for HVA right now but I don’t think they’ll need to for very long. I didn’t get to talk to those 5 guys you did but I’d bet their quitting had a lot to do with being forced into a situation they didn’t want. Once this wave pilots starts reaching qualifications AND seniority in their base and equipment of preference, DECs will no longer be necessary or desired.