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Sheg0theD 03-06-2018 09:08 AM
Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2544198)
They very well may be in full force for HVA right now but I don’t think they’ll need to for very long. I didn’t get to talk to those 5 guys you did but I’d bet their quitting had a lot to do with being forced into a situation they didn’t want. Once this wave pilots starts reaching qualifications AND seniority in their base and equipment of preference, DECs will no longer be necessary or desired.


Primarily the bate and switch.. (not to mention the reduce in bonus and no per diem in training since we were based in DFW) we were all hired into DFW then forced to go to LGA. I personally wouldn’t have came here knowing I was going to get instantly displaced to LGA


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highfarfast 03-06-2018 09:10 AM
Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2544183)
That’s not what the company is saying. They are saying they need 300 DEC’s or else they are in big trouble. My understanding is the majority of the 17 new hires are flying very very little thus most of them are nowhere close to hitting 1,000 hours.

For example in my previous stint at Eagle it took me 3 years and 3 months on property to fly 1,000 hours.
Now that I have a line, it’s fairly easy for me to project when I’ll hit 1000 hours and it’s less than 2 years from my hire date and that’s with a 4 month new hire training footprint. However, I know everything is different for everyone. Maybe I’ve been way more successfull than others at getting flying time. For what it’s worth, I was more aggressive at going out and getting flying than some but I do know others way more aggressive than me.

highfarfast 03-06-2018 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2544201)
Primarily the bate and switch.. (not to mention the reduce in bonus and no per diem in training since we were based in DFW) we were all hired into DFW then forced to go to LGA. I personally wouldn’t have came here knowing I was going to get instantly displaced to LGA


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Bate and switch you say? I’d say the handout the OP mentions sounds a lot like bate and switch too.

Sheg0theD 03-06-2018 10:04 AM
This is true^

So on this last class with the 4 forced ca slots, do those guys incur a training freeze?


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Seaplane 03-06-2018 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2543878)
If the projections of 130 lines by may is accurate. The calculation for reserve is probably not as far off as you might think.


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Has there been an accurate projection yet?

Sheg0theD 03-06-2018 10:13 AM
Originally Posted by Seaplane (Post 2544286)
Has there been an accurate projection yet?


Only projection is what we were told by the union in the last base visit..


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ENH017 03-06-2018 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2544185)
I flew with an FO the other day who was a DEC16 hire he only has 400 hours with the company.

Not sure if he purposely didn’t want to fly or if that’s just how the cookie crumbled.


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Was hired around the same time, have roughly 100 more hours. I was trying to max out OT until the combination of no critical coverage and impending forced upgrade brought that to complete halt.

In ORD at least, if you wanted to max out hours you'd be closer to 650 for a late 16/early 17 hire.

Pedro4President 03-06-2018 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2544198)
They very well may be in full force for HVA right now but I don’t think they’ll need to for very long. I didn’t get to talk to those 5 guys you did but I’d bet their quitting had a lot to do with being forced into a situation they didn’t want. Once this wave pilots starts reaching qualifications AND seniority in their base and equipment of preference, DECs will no longer be necessary or desired.
Remember lots of these guys took weeks and weeks off before finishing sims. It may be a while for the DEC program to be obsolete.

Soon the DEC song will stop playing and the bottom guy is going to be hurting.

Pedro4President 03-06-2018 10:48 AM
Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2544292)
Was hired around the same time, have roughly 100 more hours. I was trying to max out OT until the combination of no critical coverage and impending forced upgrade brought that to complete halt.

In ORD at least, if you wanted to max out hours you'd be closer to 650 for a late 16/early 17 hire.
Any FO ORD that doesn't want to fly just needs to bid reserve. Senior FOs will go MONTHS without flying. It's crazy how over staffed they are right now.

bigtime209 03-06-2018 11:14 AM
Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2544183)
That’s not what the company is saying. They are saying they need 300 DEC’s or else they are in big trouble. My understanding is the majority of the 17 new hires are flying very very little thus most of them are nowhere close to hitting 1,000 hours.

For example in my previous stint at Eagle it took me 3 years and 3 months on property to fly 1,000 hours.
Just to be clear, they don't need that many to avoid being "in big trouble." They don't need that many to maintain the current operation. That's more of a figure to achieve their goals of growth and expanding into other parts of the country and opening/reopening bases. Plus, you've got the very beginning of the big wave of 2016 new hires approaching 1,000 hours. Sky is definitely not falling. They may not be able to expand and grow back to 3,000 pilots as quickly as they'd like, but I don't think any of us could care less.


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