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flysooner9 03-06-2018 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2544345)
Just to be clear, they don't need that many to avoid being "in big trouble." They don't need that many to maintain the current operation. That's more of a figure to achieve their goals of growth and expanding into other parts of the country and opening/reopening bases. Plus, you've got the very beginning of the big wave of 2016 new hires approaching 1,000 hours. Sky is definitely not falling. They may not be able to expand and grow back to 3,000 pilots as quickly as they'd like, but I don't think any of us could care less.

How many FO’s are upgrading a month?

bigtime209 03-06-2018 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2544389)
How many FO’s are upgrading a month?

Up until this point, much more than attrition. They've been front loading CAs for awhile now on these bids in anticipation of their growth. These massive vacancies haven't been to solely replace attrition. Check back next month for the next go around. That's when the next vacancy will be run.

Whiskey4 03-06-2018 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2544345)
Just to be clear, they don't need that many to avoid being "in big trouble." They don't need that many to maintain the current operation. That's more of a figure to achieve their goals of growth and expanding into other parts of the country and opening/reopening bases. Plus, you've got the very beginning of the big wave of 2016 new hires approaching 1,000 hours. Sky is definitely not falling. They may not be able to expand and grow back to 3,000 pilots as quickly as they'd like, but I don't think any of us could care less.

If they are staffing for the hope of growth (if you build it, he will come) then you are correct.

If they promised AAG that we would cover this flying/growth/base expansion, then some lucky manager will have the pleasure of telling AA that we failed and can’t make it happen. The number one rule of business: Never overpromise and under-deliver (especially not will major $$$ on the line). That type of stuff can be a career killer.

Bigpimppilot 03-06-2018 06:13 PM

Was it 2011 when American said Envoy was going to hire 800 pilots? Didn’t they only hire 400 or so? Did they say 800 so that they wouldn’t have an issue getting 400? Is it possible that if the company says they desperately need 200 dec Pilots then they really only need say half?

bigtime209 03-06-2018 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2544698)
Was it 2011 when American said Envoy was going to hire 800 pilots? Didn’t they only hire 400 or so? Did they say 800 so that they wouldn’t have an issue getting 400? Is it possible that if the company says they desperately need 200 dec Pilots then they really only need say half?

Well...2011 is when AA declared bankruptcy. So obviously all plans went swiftly out the window. They went from hiring like crazy to furloughing.

Bigpimppilot 03-07-2018 12:39 AM

Nov. 29 AMR declared. Not Envoy.
https://turnaround.org/cmaextras/Carl-Marks-Competition-American-Airlines.pdf


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