So just what kind of evidence do they need? Captain Add Fuel = A trip to the Chief Pilots Office.

If you think all of this is about a couple of HI6 messages you are mistaken. The facts are, there is still a list tracking captain add fuel and that list is used by the company to coerce captains into not adding fuel.

Even if they don't call us into the chief pilot's office, it can still silently, cause a personnel ding in your file. Try flowing through with that.

Here's a down-n-dirty back of the envelope calculation of the cost of carrying extra fuel on the 175 interpolated from some Jeppesen data and a few wild ass guesses:

*This is not thoroughly scienced out, verified, vetted or otherwise reliable, but it provides some frame of reference. Lots of room for different approaches or interpretations. Do not use for flight planning :)

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...1&d=1522975280

Not saying people complained about having extra fuel. Was saying RW email apologizing about the threatening email was a reaction to pilots complaining about the stick mentality shown by most managers.

I've often wondered how much fuel we waste on the 5AM flight from LBB-DFW. There have been multiple times where we get to the gate and the rampers don't start their shift for another 10-15 minutes so we just sit there with an engine going.

I feel like the CRJ manager was told to make everyone more conservative when using CA ADD, but blew it way out of porportion. No way a pilot would ever so strongly advise the PIC to not act in a way that ensures safety.

Deal with the gas?

The cost to carry 500 lbs of extra fuel on board is 3.9 gallons (26lbs) or $7.21 at $1.85 a gal?

So apparently it's ok to ferry 8K lbs of fuel from a cheaper airport, weight restrict the flight, and boot 2 paying passengers on a booked full fight, the last flight of the night. But God forbid I ask for 500 lbs CA ADD on a different flight. Got it...
FWIW, I don't think the ord fleet manager did this on his own. That influence and pressure had to come from somewhere higher up. I think maybe he dove on to the grenade, and in turn brought this management fuel naziing into full light.

Deal with the bad apples

Been biting my tong not to say this because I didn't want to derail the thread. But god damn you must have been working the flight I was trying to commute home on 2 weeks ago. EXACT SAME THING. Good weather, no alternate needed, last flight of the night. Ferry fuel was the excuse to weight restrict the flight, which is common on this route. But this time, they needed two volunteers from paying customers. Really!? It's frustrating enough to not have access to the jump-seat for ferry fuel but you're gonna kick off paying passengers too?
BTW, for those that don't know, once it's determined that the flight is weight restricted, ops will not approve a jumpseater for any reason. Even if it can be determined later that weight will allow it. It takes a strong willed captain to make it happen at that point.