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Inop2 04-07-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?

Dust off your resume my friend and submit it to corporate. You are management material! Juuuust jokin.

ORDinary 04-07-2018 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

griff312 04-07-2018 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?

I'm betting yours will be the first.

Inop2 04-07-2018 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2566997)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

Useful read... just discovered my wife is a psychopath... that explains a lot.

EmbaeDriver 04-07-2018 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?

True, but we never know what can happen

Wink 04-07-2018 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by highflyer1980 (Post 2565554)
Captains.... Declare min fuel. When looking at the fuel projection on the FMS and it’s giving you the willies, declare min fuel! Leave a paper trail, with mounds of evidence will give us and dispatchers more ammunition fighting corporate policies. Don’t wait until it’s too late and you have an emergency or divert. The pipeline is simple to do, very little details needed.

I do not condone the company’s actions though. This is wrong on so many levels. Anyone heard of PSA or PDT having this issue?


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Current PDT CA here. No. Never even heard of someone getting any sort of pushback from a dispatcher about it, or experienced it myself. When I've asked for more fuel in the past, we just amended the release and called the fueler.... that was it....

Weekendwarrior2 04-07-2018 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2567362)
Current PDT CA here. No. Never even heard of someone getting any sort of pushback from a dispatcher about it, or experienced it myself. When I've asked for more fuel in the past, we just amended the release and called the fueler.... that was it....

Also, for those who don't know yet. If you are in CCI go to more -->FOS Outage-->and then from there you can type in DEP/DEST for any AA/ENY flight in the system. This is just a quick sampling that I did, but almost EVERY mainline flight has some sort of BUFR fuel added by dispatch and way more arrival fuel. Check mainlines arrival fuel compared to ours. Just because they are mainline and we're Envoy doesn't mean we should be arriving with less fuel than them.

Example: RDU-DFW
ENY 3355 Today (4/8) , Planned Arrival Fuel 01/10 mins (1713 Departure)
**Release Notes: Filed FL280 to avoid forecast upper turb.
AAL 2753 Today (4/8), Planned Arrival Fuel 02/02 mins (1545 Departure)
**Release Notes: Add fuel for possible taxi out delays/ ride improvements. Flight plan altitude capped due to turb.

Notice the difference? Both dispatchers noted the enroute upper level turbulence. Only one added additional fuel for ride improvements. The envoy release had no buffer fuel or anything. Just a casual hey, we filed you lower but you still have minimal arrival fuel. If you are working a flight that also has a mainline flight, start comparing the releases. Just because we are flying a smaller plane doesn't mean we should be arriving with an hours less fuel than mainline. If I was flying my family on a flight I sure as sh**t wouldn't want that.

Frip 04-08-2018 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?

That is not the point, nor even remotely the reason for carrying adequate fuel or Captains adding fuel.

If you really don't get that, please go find a desk to fly somewhere, or a job writing stupid shyt that actual pilots can ignore.

Pedro4President 04-08-2018 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by Frip (Post 2567419)
That is not the point, nor even remotely the reason for carrying adequate fuel or Captains adding fuel.

If you really don't get that, please go find a desk to fly somewhere, or a job writing stupid shyt that actual pilots can ignore.

Next time, if you read something that sounds too stupid to be serious, the it probably is someone just kidding around. He doesn't mean or believe anything he actually writes. It's taking up a persona that hyper stereotypes a millennial.

Frip 04-08-2018 04:06 AM

It's 2018, they make all these cool emoji-thingies to indicate sarcasm, humor, wonder, etc...

In the dark ages mb posters who desired to be understood would sometimes indicate those sort of things that might easily be misconstrued in a print only format by actually typing out the words, thusly... {sarcasm alert...} or such.


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