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Cyio 05-08-2018 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by AcesHigh (Post 2589315)
Where in the fineprint did it say must be a Captain to flow?

Starting January of 2019. It’s there.

FlyPurdue 05-08-2018 02:14 PM

Just a point of clarification:

A12s are confirmed, providing ‘E’ inventory is available when you make the booking. When I worked at HDQ, A12 was how we travled for work, and even if they were paying oversales, you were not off loaded. The trick is picking flights that say ‘book’ vs ‘list’ in the NRTP (sometimes e space does become available after you lost, and it will automatically confirm you 2-7 days before departure). Once you ‘book’, even if you are not immediately assigned a seat, take your PNR to AA.com, and then choose a seat. At that point check in as normal at ~24 hours and it is essentially confirmed. Now not all flights will have ‘E space’ as it is inventory controlled, but at 7 days out, many of hub-to-hub flights still should. I know that this is still not perfect as our schedules are more dynamic than an HDQ employee, but still a good start!

highfarfast 05-08-2018 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 2589321)
Just a point of clarification:

A12s are confirmed, providing ‘E’ inventory is available when you make the booking. When I worked at HDQ, A12 was how we travled for work, and even if they were paying oversales, you were not off loaded. The trick is picking flights that say ‘book’ vs ‘list’ in the NRTP (sometimes e space does become available after you lost, and it will automatically confirm you 2-7 days before departure). Once you ‘book’, even if you are not immediately assigned a seat, take your PNR to AA.com, and then choose a seat. At that point check in as normal at ~24 hours and it is essentially confirmed. Now not all flights will have ‘E space’ as it is inventory controlled, but at 7 days out, many of hub-to-hub flights still should. I know that this is still not perfect as our schedules are more dynamic than an HDQ employee, but still a good start!

This is more academic question since I’m not doing TDY anymore but for anyone else trying to do A12, sounds like you can help.

For me, I was told to book A12 myself via FOS by using HIGO but using A12 instead of A1D or A3D. Only way I knew to look up flights was via Travel Planner. Would find the flights I wanted and go to FOS and book them via HIGO but with A12 at the end. I would then go back to the Travel Planner and import the trip giving my a PNR. Then go to AA.com to try to get a seat. Sometimes I could get a seat right away, usually not. Sometimes I’d check in at 24 hours and I’d already been assigned a seat, usually not. Usually, I’d show up at the gate and wait as a standby, high on the list, but a standby.

I know nothing of this NRTP and “book” vs “list” or “E inventory”. These are new terms to me.

flysooner9 05-08-2018 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2589296)
Aren’t you going to PDT?

Probably although I have an offer from Envoy as well.

FlyPurdue 05-08-2018 02:45 PM

In the travel planner, there is a box that says ‘type of travel,’. This is where you can use your ATW Tickets, or just a basic standby listing. When I worked at AA, this was where you selected ‘business travel’ and that is how you booked your A12s for business. It was the subsequent screens that then said book vs list. I just looked myself, and that functionality was removed from my travel planner. Amazing, trusted with passengers, but not trusted to not take advantage of A12s, even though they audit it pretty closely.

Everything else you said was spot on, and you described getting E-space verses business standby.

What I am going to do, is email the travel desk to see if we can get that functionality turned on, or atleast a way to see weather or not e-space is available on a flight.

highfarfast 05-08-2018 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 2589351)
In the travel planner, there is a box that says ‘type of travel,’. This is where you can use your ATW Tickets, or just a basic standby listing. When I worked at AA, this was where you selected ‘business travel’ and that is how you booked your A12s for business. It was the subsequent screens that then said book vs list. I just looked myself, and that functionality was removed from my travel planner. Amazing, trusted with passengers, but not trusted to not take advantage of A12s, even though they audit it pretty closely.

Everything else you said was spot on, and you described getting E-space verses business standby.

What I am going to do, is email the travel desk to see if we can get that functionality turned on, or atleast a way to see weather or not e-space is available on a flight.

Yeah, just went to Travel Planner and looked, no business travel option there. I’m guessing this the functionality what you’re looking to turn on is. If so, that would have been GREAT!!! It solves the biggest inconvienience I had with it... bigger than the standby which was only an issue once for me. No matter what, it’s a two leg commute to NY for me. Making the reservation via FOS meant two seperate PNRs which is a headache in all kinds of ways.

Edit: I do remember that when I imported the trips to Travel Planner that they were shown as ‘Business Travel’ though.

mketch11 05-08-2018 02:54 PM

Don’t be blinded by the so-called benefits of this LOA. The captain pay starting at the award date, the tdy benefits are not for the pilots, they are for the company. They help attract HVAs which keeps Envoy from having to increase captain pay. Secondly and I forgot this on my earlier rant, but the union seems to think that the benefit to the pilot group is when a sub 1000 hr FO is forced to fly on reserve, that we are going to be sitting at home with pay on a bean bag chair eating Cheetos...but they are only going to displace FOs with more than 1000 hrs, and how many of those do we have? None! The trips will come from open time, aka no OT for you. Benefits the company but the union wants us to think it’s great for us somehow. Man I’m dying over here.

Cpt Rex Kramer 05-08-2018 03:01 PM

^^^ This - And your prior post ^^^

Once again our own union F's us - I'm not sure which is worse the company or the union. I guess the union since I HAVE to pay THEM for the privilege...

highfarfast 05-08-2018 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2589356)
Don’t be blinded by the so-called benefits of this LOA. The captain pay starting at the award date, the tdy benefits are not for the pilots, they are for the company. They help attract HVAs which keeps Envoy from having to increase captain pay. Secondly and I forgot this on my earlier rant, but the union seems to think that the benefit to the pilot group is when a sub 1000 hr FO is forced to fly on reserve, that we are going to be sitting at home with pay on a bean bag chair eating Cheetos...but they are only going to displace FOs with more than 1000 hrs, and how many of those do we have? None! The trips will come from open time, aka no OT for you. Benefits the company but the union wants us to think it’s great for us somehow. Man I’m dying over here.

Email also said the displacements will happen before ATTOT opens and those displaced are not subject to reasignment. There really hasn’t been much available at ATTOT for a while.

OT after that will still be fair game for those that want it. Still curious to find out if those displaced will be able to pick up OT on the days they were displaced AND whether it’s premium or not.

bigtime209 05-08-2018 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2589364)
Email also said the displacements will happen before ATTOT opens and those displaced are not subject to reasignment. There really hasn’t been much available at ATTOT for a while.

OT after that will still be fair game for those that want it. Still curious to find out if those displaced will be able to pick up OT on the days they were displaced AND whether it’s premium or not.

Yes, a displaced FO can pick up OT on the days they were displaced at the applicable OT premium- 150 or 200 percent. Or they can enjoy the paid time off. Their choice.


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