Seniority and Flow
06-16-2018 | 06:51 PM
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Not yet, and probably not for a while. I am on with the cadet program with a school out in Denton, TX. I am trying to figure out which aircraft I would like to fly if I were to be afforded the opportunity to choose. At the end of the day, a jet is a jet, is a jet and I will be appreciative to be building 121 turbine time. I wanted to find out from those that have been in the same boat, if it were better to take the bonus money with the 140/145 or enjoy the forward lav of the 175.
06-16-2018 | 06:54 PM
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Fleet is flow neutral. The FO seat lock and radically different NH experience on the 145 just makes it seem like there are two different airlines, actually it's only one. The only advantage of the 145 is the extra couple bucks on day one, and you'll blow through that easily in your first month off IOE hiring rides back and forth between JFK/LGA lol
Between the two sides of the company, which one seems to have most productive NH experience?
06-17-2018 | 07:44 AM
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Basically, the NH experience on the 145 is awful because of NYC. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, and I don't recommend coming to Envoy to anyone who isn't a cadet because of it. The company and union agreed to do some things to soften the blow of NY reserve, which has helped a lot. Now you can at least earn money instead of dipping into your savings and paying to work for the first 3 months, but the QOL and morale is low and everyone is just trying to get out.
06-17-2018 | 11:21 AM
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Basically, the NH experience on the 145 is awful because of NYC. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, and I don't recommend coming to Envoy to anyone who isn't a cadet because of it. The company and union agreed to do some things to soften the blow of NY reserve, which has helped a lot. Now you can at least earn money instead of dipping into your savings and paying to work for the first 3 months, but the QOL and morale is low and everyone is just trying to get out.
I get the DEC argument, but an FO looking for rapid seniority progression would likely do well in NY.
Different story if you live in the Midwest or West. I just think NY gets a worse rap than it really deserves. IF the airline was stagnating, which it’s not, then long-time reserve there for a commuter could be a costly proposition due to the crash pad and transportation issues.
06-17-2018 | 01:23 PM
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Basically, the NH experience on the 145 is awful because of NYC. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, and I don't recommend coming to Envoy to anyone who isn't a cadet because of it. The company and union agreed to do some things to soften the blow of NY reserve, which has helped a lot. Now you can at least earn money instead of dipping into your savings and paying to work for the first 3 months, but the QOL and morale is low and everyone is just trying to get out.
06-17-2018 | 01:25 PM
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Absolutely. Either pick ORD 175 in training (if offered, and if it’s available when your turn comes up), or preference bid a base transfer. ORD should not take long to get into on the 145. My guess is within 6-7 months (1-2 vacancy bids) of your class date.
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