Maybe he will be compensated. Maybe not. If he will be, then I'm sure that once he's a dues paying member of ALPA, they'll get their cut.

I'm a salty guy myself (I suppose ;)), older than most here, and survived more than two decades at Eagle (it wasn't Envoy when I left). I don't have a problem with this young man at all. He obviously asked for and was granted all the required authorizations, which is pretty much what the legal department says one must do before posting pics and vids on social media. I don't call that a double standard at all.

It depends on who you ask. Your free to disappear now.

Well as much as your username commands my full respect and attention, I cannot take someone seriously if they do not understand the difference between "your" and "you're". You're free to keep trolling here or troll elsewhere, I won't give you orders on a public anonymous website. :)

Well, he is on the 145 and based in new york.

What is the breakout of this class? Base, equipment, DECs, RTPs, Cadets, etc

What? How is that possible? I thought this was all a giant conspiracy! Q!

nope.... i dont know about all the stats, his instagram posted that he got the 145 and NYC based.



obviously not too much special treatment here.

Cant wait!

Can the JFK standby hole break him? I’m excited to find out, and will be subscribing.

What happened to his DEC 175 spot??? Haha! So much for all the genius theories on here.

What are you talking about!! APC is the brains trust don’t ya know?

There's a very small chance he's making a bunch of money from YouTube. You'd have to have close to 1M subscribers to even get on the bottom end of something 'livable'

i have to disagree. there are plenty of full time youtubers with less than 500k subs making way more than a livable wage. Now the people with 1 million plus are making a LOT of money. My understanding of the whole thing is views, likes and people watching the ads makes you more money. Moreso than subs, however i think the may be a pretty close correlation there.


*disclaimer I know nothing about swayne.

This is insane, anyone b*** about this needs to get a life. Stop playing professional pilot 24/7 and get some hobbies. Could care less about the guys videos, I get a paycheck twice a month...literally the only thing that matters.

I do not post on APC much. Don’t really care for all the drivel. I feel compelled to interject here, however. With respect to Swayne he is not a kid who had things handed to him. He has no other family members in aviation. He has had to figure it all out on his own with not a lot of help. Thus one of the reasons for making videos.

I will add, if you think he doesn’t know what it’s like to fly long days in crappy weather you’d be mistaken. He’s earned his spot at Envoy. He is a well spoken young man and plan for his career. We should all be so lucky. For those if you that want to give him the stink eye on the line for no other reason than you don’t care for his videos I can assure you that you’ll be the ones missing out.

Well with any luck some of that will rub off on you.

Thanks. I’m quite comfortable on all accounts.

He must have a lot of debt to attend UND and then go live in Hawaii.

Or his parents used to have money

He’s family’s got money but nobody in his family are pilots


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FYI, That airline out there provides housing.

Well, you’re 62, going to retire as a regional lifer, despite the best hiring environment in decades (not that there’s anything wrong with that). But...you’re making fun of a 22 year old that will likely be at a Major by age 24...

2 year flow yea yea good luck with that

Where have you heard that? I had 2 friends who flew out there a few years ago, and that was not the case then.

It was always a deal breaker. Well, that, combined with starting FO's at 18k..

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I can't imagine naming a wiggley, pink bundle of joy.......Swayne.:eek:

Heard the FOs would get a place together. Something like 4 to an apartment. Don’t quote me though.

If it goes like that for anyone in the coming years it'll be a real test of character.

When you spend a lot of time around wealthy people you start to realize that being handed that kind of success (earned or not) in one's early twenties has a pretty high probability of creating an entitled psychopath for life.

Then again, most people positioned like that already have parents with cash coming out the ears, so perhaps it's a moot point.

Seems like a good guy. I don’t think he’ll have to wait for the flow. Networking matters.

Another advantage he has over most at Envoy is that his app will likely be complete and published on Pilot Credentials. I can’t even begin to count the sheer number of flows I know receiving emails from AA to publish their app after having their “transfer awarded”. That means they didn’t even have one on file. I confirmed this with AA Recruitment...they would hire more, but a large amount either haven’t completed the Org Fit, or haven’t published the app. Seems crazy not to try to beat the flow.

Based on the conversations I've had with the captains I fly with, I believe it. Flow has made this pilot group lazy.

Saying "they would hire more" implies that they are struggling to see apps from Envoy pilots. Well, where the hell is my invite? I'm competitive from every possible angle and I update my app once a week.

THIS^^^^^There are numerous completed apps on file at AA from well qualified Envoy pilots that have the PIC time, the check airman box checked, 4 year degree, etc....Anyone that says the only reason AA isn't hiring more from Envoy is due to lack of qualified apps is full of sh*t.

Thank you.

Would you say that being at AA WO decreases your chances of getting a call from AA? They already have a flow so they take from their WO carriers outside of the flow would leave their operations hurting. Would this be an accurate assumption or am I wayyyyy off?

There is no deliberate action from AA to not hire from the WOs. Having said that, what decreases your chances of getting a call from AA is not being military and not being at a WO. Military and flows are the vast majority of people getting hired. In 2017, 60 pilots were hired at AA outside of military hires and flow. 645 pilots were hired total. That gives you a 9% chance of getting hired off the street outside of military or flow. Very stiff competition for the remaining 9% of slots.

I think you find there is an awful lot of diversity in that 9%.

You'd be correct.

Just for reference, my class this year had 7 from wholly owned hired outside flow. (From Jan to July only 29 total hired from WO street) All were minority and or military. I believe only one was non military, non minority but was check airman and a great person who deserved it.

I wish there was more discussion of this, but I understand why there isn't because it's kind of distasteful. I think most people would like to imagine that the most qualified people are getting hired without regard for their race or gender.

Is AA only interested in visible minorities, or is there a minority status the average pilot can identify as that they're interested in?

Does it help or hurt to be East Asian? (Possibly "overrepresented" amongst pilots?)

Every airline hires minorities if they are qualified. They are not any more or less qualified than anyone else hired. What shifts the numbers at AA is the numbers that are flowing vs hired off street vs off street from wholly owned. Percentages, I suspect for minorities, are similar to any other legacy.