Oh it’s not deep down at all. In fact, it’s right on the surface. One represents the best and bravest this country has to offer, our law enforcement. The other represents a lifestyle choice better left at home where the rest of us non-attention seaking normal people leave ours.

So, you’re not really upset about “desecrating the flag,” but that people are being publicly proud.

As for the “best” in “best and bravest,” check out the plainview project

I think he took a decent stance, especially saying he pushed back against the company wanting more influence on his content.

We all get it, everyone gets it. You’re HR’s wet dream, congratulations. Virtue signaled, mission accomplished. I sure hope you never need a police officer, but if you do, they’ll be there regardless of what you think of them.

Sure got "Thin Blue Line American Flag Punisher Skull bumper sticker" in here all of a sudden. Yes, they're both desecrations of the American flag, and it's kind of sad, but I mean how many times have you seen old glory hugging some thot's genitals on the beach? This is a battle that austere patriots lost at some point in the distant past while the baby boomers were on the tiller.

I love it when people get all handwavey talking about virtue signaling as if the only reason someone might support pride or criticize police fetishization/worship is for the adoration of others.

I agree.

I know that I’ve disagreed with a few of you here... But it’s really hard to argue with what he said in his post. And those of you who disagree with him should at least give him props for making it very clear to his followers that he supports the union and a better contract.

He’s been doing this for years, since he was 15 or something. These videos seem to me like a very factual continuation of his career. He adds very little “spin” in any video... he even called his own videos boring in the post. Whether or not you like him, or the idea of being a public figure and a pilot, it doesn’t seem like he’s as “against” the interests of the pilot group as some try to make it seem. Can we just give it is a rest on this thread now?

What did you expect him to say lol, f the union? He's still management's boy going to recruiting events and making videos during negotiations. Can't even wait until negotiations are over to post, really? He can do whatever he wants. He should just realize that he's ****ing off a large number of his co-workers.

Well, I for one didn’t expect him to openly push back on the company asking the videos to be more focused on Envoy. Plus, if he’d waited for negotiations to be over I’m assuming he’d never have a video in the first place. Union negotiations are always happening, right? Plus, this particular video was uploaded before the union announcement you guys are talking about.

Swayne is a great pilot, great to work with and an asset to the crew. I don’t see how his videos are biased towards the company. We shan’t focus frustrations on him.


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Again, no. The new pay negotiations started in April. But, I don't really see him pro management vs not. He's taking advantage of Envoy giving him exclusive rights to social media coverage while every other pilot is essentially barred from it. I'm very sure recruiters from United, Delta, American, etc have seen his videos, and he probably won't be in the regional game for that long.

Great, I dont think a single person said he wasn't a great person/pilot/human being. All but a very select few have zero issues with him as a person or coworker.

All we said was that we feel he should hold off on any new videos until this AIP issue has been resolved. Are we really asking that much? Make the videos, produce the videos, have Envoy management bless the videos, just dont post any new ones until this is over.

Its really a pretty simple request, why it has spiraled into this huge issue is beyond me. As for his post on IG, yeah sure, thanks, however it was pretty white washed.

If only Youtube had a button that allowed content creators to set a video from public to private or unlisted...

Alternatively, especially since he is going to recruiting events, I hope he is getting paid as a recruiter. If he is giving Envoy free publicity, well, c'mon man.

Is it just me, or is Swayne sounding better and better as a name now?


Look at the bright side, Envoy has a strong "regional union" in ALPA that will take care of things. That 2% investment "insurance" is really going to pay off.;)

He is paid handsomely

https://youtu.be/e7O0z-TfgKY

Swayne shilling for mokulele. Starts a gofundme to get a CFI enough money to move to Hawaii and work poverty wages flying the caravan "airliner", undercutting the industry and subsidizing mokuleles embarrassing wages. This is pretty unethical.

2 years ago.

For contrast: Or he saw someone that needed an opportunity to build flight time when she couldn’t afford to get her CFI? Sounds like she needed to get over the “hours” hump to make it to a regional carrier and begin paying off some loans.

Sorry I keep interjecting here, especially since I only know of Swayne through mutual friends... But it really ticks me off how much, and how often, people tear this guy apart. He’s done a better job than you ever will to get people involved in this career path... His videos are one of the reasons I started flying in the first place years ago.

I wouldn't take things so personally, this is forum and known for this. While I dont agree with him posting recruiting videos right now, and yes, that is exactly what they are, I certainly hold no ill feelings toward him.

Another authority well seasoned in the industry.

Years ago???

Yeah, 2 years ago. Shows he's been a management shill since the beginning. He's obviously got enough mommy/daddy money, some of us actually have to live on these wages.

There is definitely an age/experience gap at play in all these threads. The young ones see Envoy and other regionals as a great stepping stone in their career progression to mainline. Those of us that have been around a while have the perspective that regionals are a place for management to sell seats while keeping the mainline hiring as low as possible.

Here Comes Swayne
 

That could be a lie. That’s something he can easily just say, if he really meant that then he would get in trouble by the company.

And if anyone really believes he was pushing back against the company, prove it.

Regardless, let’s just let the union do their job as I personally don’t think his videos will influence guys at their 800 hour mark. These videos are to get you INTO the industry, not towards a specific company even though the envoy logo may bring in idk, maybe 2 people in class here and there? And factor in people who may NOT want to come here because of his videos, so it all evens out.

Oh, I’m sorry. I just realized it was unprofessional questioning someone’s credibility.

I agree, Aviator Chavez put out some good videos.

The company told him no more.

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What is ok for one is grounds for termination for all others. Doesn't sound right to me.

But to be fair, I wouldn’t want Chavez putting out YouTube videos that had any indication of Envoy right now either.

A country song would fit better than rap right now.

While a sad country song might be ok, I think this might actually call for some vitriol spewing, anti authoritarian (c)rap.

Ehhh

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I know, but I thought Aviator Chavez’s videos were more honest than Swayne Martin’s. They seemed to show a real picture of what the airline life was like instead of being recruitment videos.

They certainly had a bit more humor. His rap game was strong.

It showed commuting, using AA bus, waiting for gate agents to appear, and sitting sby...way more informational...and why does swayne keep calling cle Columbus?? It’s Cleveland

Hence why he is no longer allowed to do them. That and something about "flying his plane to heaven", lol.

Showing reality? Can’t have that. I mean that is so biased against Envoy.

He's in the companies latest twitter postings too

Rumor is the union had a talk with him. Whatever they asked, he said he would comply with.

Indeed, it makes me wish I downloaded his rap video from YouTube.

I remember that part!