It is quite simple, his allegiance are with himself. He puts on a nice face for social media and in person, but when the mask comes off it is clear he is only out for himself and advancing his career and social status.

If he’s been nice to your or others in person, under what assumption are you saying he’s different with the “mask off?” And aren’t we all trying to advance our own careers?

I’ve met this guy before and he gets a lot more crap than he deserves. I find it funny that people have been silent for the past 6 months about him, until it’s in their interest to complain online when a contract negotiation fails. If you felt this strongly before, maybe you should’ve said something before. If you’re going to complain at least be consistent. ;)

Well this thread was started 10 months ago lol.. anyway people are mad about it because he's a pilot in the same position as us but uploads a video the same day the company backs out of an agreement about the greatness of being a lineholder, with envoy brand and logos all up in the background, which make it seem like a great place to be, whether he says it or not. And yes it is good market advertising to teens/student pilots looking for a career in aviation. Honestly won't be surprised once he gets called for the mainlines shortly after upgrading/building some PIC.

If he isn't putting out anything that is false information, then who cares? :rolleyes:

Agree. And if he is the answer is a coherent rebuttal, not just pi$$ing and moaning.

I don’t think he’s putting out false information. I think he puts out factual information.

But at the end of the day it’s this, he’s endorsed and backed by Envoy to put these out.

The videos he produced has Envoy’s logo attached to them therefore that’s free publicity. What does publicity do? Attract new followers or shall I say sheep?

And Envoy doesn’t have to pay a dime to Swayne. But I can imagine Swayne is on their “good boy list”

He’s helping the help, when the help isn’t helping us, care about us, and not doing anything to remotely show that they actually care about this pilotn group.

So who’s side is Swayne on? The company? Or the Pilot?

The answer is crystal clear.

My .02 and my reasoning for not liking the kid.

This...
Amazing how people still dont get it.

You are either helping the pilot group or hurting the pilot group....there is no middle ground.

Now you all decide how his videos either help or hurt our stance as a pilot group as a whole and you have your answer.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!.

Hyperbole much? LOL!

He's not saying "come work for Envoy, it's awesome here", he's simply creating videos describing HIS experiences and explaining some basic concepts of the operation as how it relates to pilots. His videos are obviously meant for up and comers who might be in flight training at the moment but have no idea what the life entails.

Leave the kid alone.

And some of you guys are coming off as closed minded bigots, btw. Showing your true colors are you?:rolleyes:

leave britney alone!

lay off the virtue signaling, we're all progressive here. We get it, you want everyone to know you're a good guy.

Social media influencers are one of the biggest marketing tools in play these days. If you don’t believe me, look at the social media operation of any major corporation these days. These pitches rely on subtle techniques to highlight product or concepts rather than a hard sell. This generation somehow thinks a social media pitch is more authentic than Madison Ave, even if they’re fundamentally selling the same product. (The Army is doing this with YouTube videos that show basic training, firing ranges, etc., using recruiters as pitchmen in civvies)

Regardless of duder’s intent (money on clicks, fame, or simply helping the next generation), his videos are free advertising for Envoy full stop. I don’t care if he’s a nice guy, or whatever, because what he is doing is not in the interest of the pilot group in this negotiating environment. It would probably behoove him to show solidarity and lay off the videos and other recruiting appearances until we get a deal.

100% agree. Look at any major airline and what their pilot group does for solidarity during furlough and or negotiation times.There are just some things you don't do to harm the pilots as a group as a whole. It is protecting your profession over your self.

Absolutely agree. Nothing against him personally. And he can keep making the videos. Just keep them in the can until we have an improved contract. Then he can post as much as he wants.

I bet he will. Let’s watch and see. Also... he released the recent video just a few hours before the union news. So he didn’t even have the opportunity to delay posting as some have suggested.

Well why make videos at all? If it was truly just about informing, why not just put out an informational pamphlet on his content?

Answer: It’s not just about information. It’s mainly about his vanity, and as a byproduct, conveniently disguised as informational when most people including the company, know that it is in fact a recruiting tool to sell the company to potential new hires.

So I do roll my eyes when people try to claim that he’s simply “creating videos to share his experience and explain” airline ops.

I’m not knocking the guy, just my opinion and calling it as I see it. It’s his prerogative and I get that.

However, imho, it does make it seem like new hires are mentally challenged special needs kids needing to see these videos just to hack it as a new hire. I mean it’s really not THAT hard to actually require videos. I wouldn’t be surprised to see if he made videos on basic life skills, like learning how to go grocery shopping, learning how to do laundry, learning how to pay your bills, learning how to brush your teeth, learning how to navigate public transportation and how to ride the bus on your own. I heard that it’s in the works to sell stuffed plush toy, emotional support airplanes to help new hires make it through.

I’m being facetious, however I feel as informational as they may be, are entirely unnecessary and probably makes management think twice about paying us a professional wage because they see us as incapable of figuring things out for ourselves and need our proverbial hands held in the form of these videos.


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Negotiations have been going on since the beginning of April.

Aren’t there always negotiations?

Closed minded bigots? Not sure how this came up but I feel you are the one judging here not the other way around.

The point is the videos advertise Envoy and only Envoy during some pretty heated negotiations. One doesn’t have to speak support for a product to still endorse it.

I fail to see how this simple point is not understood by some. Lastly, you can disagree with someone and their actions without hating them or who they are.

So much waisted energy to discuss the pluses and minuses of this guy.
Since he has not been shut down by envoy then envoy supports what he is doing. In other words envoy mgt gains from his stuff. My opinion whether he is or knows it or not, he is a mgt stooge. Truly surprised he even flies the line

So, according to him, it's only 7 months OFE reserve. I thought it was much worse... 12-14 months.

Exactly.

The knuckle-dragging union thug groupthink mentality is pathetic.


Obviously Envoy has problems that need to be rectified. But this youtuber has nothing to do with it.

Thank you for proving my point in my previous post.

It's not groupthink it's called unity and loyalty. Some people have none.

Well, these are three posts that stood out to me after the photo of him and the other guy holding the rainbow flag was posted:



So, yes. Those three posts come off as bigoted.

All the rest is just good discussion, even if I disagree to an extent.

11/2018 hires held lines for June. We will know where it moves for July tomorrow.

And none of them are wrong.

Nothing demonstrates unity and loyalty like anonymously attacking your own members in a public forum. You guys are seriously embarrassing yourselves with this thread...

We aren't loyal to one individual...We are loyal to the pilot group as a whole and as a profession. What Swayne is doing can and has been pointed out the opposite....He is being loyal to himself and the company while hurting the pilot group and profession as a whole.

That's your opinion. There are better ways to handle a disagreement in principle, especially with someone who may not be trying to harm you. Being unionized should've made handling this internally, and more professionally, particularly easy...

Specifically, I want to know HOW he’s hurting the pilot group and the profession. What specifically is he doing that’s harming your group (wait, aren’t you at AA now that you’ve flowed over in May?) and the profession as a whole, because those are mighty huge accusations to level at an enthusiastic young guy who’s simply making videos trying to explain the life of a pilot at the Regional level. He’s maybe 23 years old, loves what he does (something that chaps his critics), and is making nicely produced videos about his job. I don’t see him promoting the company at all.
So let’s hear it.

I’m pretty sure I explained it crystal clear with my post.

If you choose not to acknowledge the valid points I’ve made on how he is, that’s on you.

And let’s make this clear, I don’t hate this guy. Idc about his orientation.

Many including myself feel a way about this person because his loyalty is sided with the company at a time where it shows they’re clearly against us and his loyalty is not the pilot group and it shows.

But if that’s his perogative then so be it, but that’s a heck of a way to not make friends around here in this hostile environment.

I have no dog in this fight but I think the ire lands on the fact he has become the voice piece of the airline pilot profession, based off the amount of his followers he has. Unlike Sully or Al Haynes who were proven legends in their own right. He has accomplished nothing in this field he is still a rookie. Hell in this day and age getting a job for a regional requires little less then a pulse and 1500 hours. I am glad he likes making videos and they seem well produced. But I don’t like prospective pilots watching his videos to better understand the career. He paints a very unrealistic picture of being an airline pilot. He is a video version of those ATP glossy ads. He shows only the fun and exciting aspects ie uniform, jet pics, travel. He does a poor job of truly showing what the career of an airline pilot is like. He hasn’t been through the furloughs, pay cuts and 5-10 year reserve time that many of us have been through.

I understand this is all brand new and exciting for him, but in a few years the rose colored glasses come off but those videos never will. Pilots are mainly type A personalities and we are use to seeing the press and public go to guys like Sully, Haynes or hell Yeager. These guys command respect are well spoke and most importantly experienced, two of the three he severely lacks. I am sure he is a great guy and I I wish him nothing but the best, but it irks me that he is becoming a defacto mouth piece for professional aviators. I understand that he is not claiming to be but with his views and followers make no mistake he is.

I am curious if things halted and he was on deep reserve for a few years how the tone of his videos would change. Luckily for him he choose the best time in 50 years to become a pilot and it is going well for him.

Well articulated. There is no doubt that his over the top enthusiasm will be tempered over time. It is inevitable.

Mouthpiece for the airline pilot profession? Not sure I believe that. He’s just another very enthusiastic young kid entering this biz, regardless of the number of followers he has.

You’re right. He hasn’t been through the “rough times” you’re mentioning. But I also disagree with your statement on his “unrealistic” picture of the job. Have you actually watched any of his videos? I think he does a damn good job explaining topics that no one has talked about online: Ground School, Sims, Reserve, OT, IOE, etc. The latest videos have been nothing but facts and a breakdown of his day to day job. I for one, recently out of flight school, find it INCREDIBLY helpful for understanding my soon-to-be job.

They aren’t exciting videos. They’re actually pretty boring, and not in the least bit “glossy.” Here’s a thought... Isn’t there enough out there readily available online to dissuade people from this career? Harsh forums, union negotiations, negative press, strikes, low wages, etc. Airline pilots do a damn good job of complaining online. Hell, it almost turned me away from becoming a pilot. I don’t think there’s any doubt that someone seriously looking at this career path will discover those negative factors.

And yet... I find it refreshing that someone with positive energy is advocating FOR people becoming pilots. Have you taken a look at his comments on YouTube? People are eating this stuff up. They really love the videos. The ratio of likes to dislikes is staggeringly different. He’s clearly doing something right, or none of you would be talking about him ;)

I respectfully acknowledge your opinion, but don’t really agree with it. I’m not sure that his videos really have as much recruiting power as you and others think. Most young adults out there considering a career in this field are smart enough to realize that Envoy is not the only game in town, nor anywhere near the most “glamorous”. It’s just one of half a dozen regionals vying for pilots. I think most young adults are savvy enough to find the forums, read, and realize that it’s not all rainbows and unicorns at Envoy (or any regional, for that matter). Most will do their due diligence and choose according to their own needs.

As I see it, his vids simply help explain the life of a regional pilot from his perspective. In an overall sense, there isn’t much difference in the daily lives and schedules of pilots for Skywest, Envoy, Expressjet, etc., so his vids can carry over to many different regional airlines.

Just my opinion, for what it’s worth, which is nothing really. 😉

Thank you for proving my point. You are brand new to the industry and have no idea what it really means to fly for a living in the airlines. You are the exact person spouting off the exact stuff I was talking about. You know nothing about the ins and outs of this career except for what you see on his videos, and as shown above you preach it like gospel.

I was flying the not to long ago where pilots were getting paid $20,000 a year sitting on reserve at a regional for 5-7 years. How did management get away with such low salaries and QOL? Because people like you would see videos like this and say “gee golly I want to fly shiny jets and travel in a cool uniform.”

Trust me fella you are new to this game. Check back in when you have been in this career and seen yourself and friends take pay cuts or lose jobs because someone is always willing to fly you plane for cheaper. Your attitude will change..

I am all for him being enthusiastic and loving what he does that is refreshing. But when guys like you, straight out of training tell me videos like this are helping you prepare for the career I become worried. This is literally the blind leading the blind,

You have no idea how bad this career was a few short years ago but as long as people still line up to fly “cool” jets management did and could again get away with racing this profession to the bottom.

What you fail to realize is the only reason salaries and QOL improvements have been happening is because of the pilot shortage, that management created with their own greed. These regional jets he so loves only exists because executives found guys willing to fly mainline routes and mainline legs for pennies on the dollar.

I am excited for him and all the new pilots entering the career it is a good time. but it also was in August 2001, things change and they change quick. We as a profession, need you new guys to know the true reality that this career can bring so you have all the facts.

This is nothing against who he is as a person or pilot. Either way he is just a YouTube guy, he is not hurting anything and enjoying himself, but a lot of us come from a time where these “types” of propaganda greatly undermined this amazing profession, and we are gun shy. I believe rightfully so.

By no mean am I trying to attack you or say your belief is wrong. I just want to educate you where some of us are coming from. Fly safe!

An American flag defaced to express sodomy has no place in a professional environment.

Crazy how you guys are bashing him and then in the same sentence y’all about loyalty. I get everyone’s points and I don’t really agree with them.

I’m gonna be at an indoc soon and his videos have me a realistic explanation of how it’ll look for me. He’s kept it factual and I appreciate that.

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.

If you all were in his position, I know you all would do the same. It was said before, we don’t start out making livable wages (though I think it’s livable, but whatever) so anything helps to pay off that mountain of debt.

Not only that but supported and encouraged buy a publicly traded company, guess political neutral does not exists at aag.

Regarding Dwayne, you guys giving him to much coverage, he is what he is, those who support him won't be changing and neither are those against him. So let's just kill this thread for the good of all.

So many things wrong here not even going to bother