Captain Quick he didn't literally mean happy. Think outside the box.

Could be, but I remember he made a video about getting his CFI early on on his senior year so ifk why he wouldn’t instruct there. Also, North Dakota rarely has WX conducive for PPL training so I’d guess that being a CFII would be the minimum. That’s just a guess though

Unless you can back those statements up with indisputable evidence, I’ll assume you’re making **** up.

Give us your proof.

(Despite your jealousy and angst, this kid will do very well in his chosen career and will likely retire with a single digit number at one of the Legacies)

Some of you guys are real d*cks.
I bet if you flew with him, you wouldn't treat him the way you do in here. Talking about your colleagues like that online is pretty pathetic.
Grow up.

I never met him personally and honestly could care less about the guy other than I think it is utter **** that someone with a YouTube channel would get any priority over someone else. Yes, I will tell that to his face.

Also could care less what way his personal preferences go, but again I don’t think that should be a determination of employment either.

He’s a member of NGPA which has no bearing on him as a person or professional, but he is a member of a protected class.

So what? You can join as an ALLy and get all of the same benefits. Why does that mean anything? I have a son who is gay, does that somehow make me or him more or less qualified for a position in aviation? I encourage him to work hard and earn everything that he achieves, not get there through some organization.

PS Didn't mean to quote you MD.

Why are you so upset over this?

He said so twice in his own video. Is that enough proof for you?

https://youtu.be/aazv6uXOajo?t=55

He earned his CFI/II through UND, was never hired. Only job has been pulling gear in a caravan. Why do you think he's sitting in the left seat of all his 172 videos?

Pan Am, Eastern, TWA and Braniff were the 'legacies' 40 years ago. I don't think it 's a stretch to believe that the legacies of today won't exist in 40 years. The pilot profession as a whole will probably look a lot different if it still exists.

No worries at all. It doesn’t matter to me who I fly next to, or who they choose to love, be they heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, bisexual, trisexual, quadrisexual, pansexual, transexual, omnisexual or that thing where the chick ties the belt around your neck and tinkles on a ballon, it has absolutely nothing to do with who we are as people. All that matters is that they are safe, and that they don’t chop the power and try to flare at 80’. Swayne is open and proud of who he is and even though he qualifies as a minority and a protected class, he doesn’t seem to exploit it.

I've been following hundreds of YT content creators for years (non-aviation). I haven't watched "television" in a decade.

He strikes me, whilst examining his videos, as someone with ZERO sense of humor. No traces of levity to be found. No sense of irony. No semblance of satire. I feel like I'm getting information from a machine intelligence.

Excellent camerawork and editing, though. The music is grotesque. Being constrained by what's in the catalogue of public domain doesn't mean it has to suck.

I gave him a subscription.

I'm a white Christian male married with 5 kids... Does that put me in a minority? 😁

Soon enough it may.

This 100%. I think the media cycle has made it so that we have to look at everyone as an exploited class or something and that we all need to care what people do in their private lives. I dont give a rats ass what someone chooses to believe in or do with their bodies, so long as they are safe, respectful and dont try to restrict my beliefs in favor of their own.

So upset? Lol, no. That's a bit of an exaggeration.

I am a little annoyed at so many of those on here who judge and convict this young man in the court of APC Envoy opinion. There is at least one person in this very thread who has actually flown with Swayne and has said "Great guy to fly with and really good pilot."

Another has said that he talked with Swayne in a group setting with other pilots a while back and thought he was a super nice guy, an overachiever.

So two people here who have actually met Swayne really liked him, thought he was a nice guy, and one said he was an excellent pilot.

He seems to be a hard worker and a smart guy. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on him being at a Legacy a year or two after he upgrades at Envoy. He just does not seem to be the kind of person who sits back and waits for the things to happen, more so the opposite.

I wish him luck.

You left out that United, American, and Delta were also Legacies 40 years ago, and all were larger than the four you listed by then. They are still alive and well and raking in billions of dollars every year.

Anyway, what does this have this have to do with the conversation about Swayne? It's a non-sequitur in the context of the thread topic.

You couldn't be further from the truth.

40 years ago was 1979, AA didn't even cross the Atlantic until 1982. Delta bought Pan Am's routes. United didn't fly international on their own until 1983.

Take a seat bro.

Think again, "bro" (I had to laugh at that one. You schooled me for sure, bro).

First of all, since when has International flying ever defined an airline's size? The answer is never.

Many other metrics define an airline's size - Total Revenue, Revenue passenger miles, Passenger emplacements, Fleet size, etc.

We just finished 2018, so 40 years ago for complete statistics was 1978.

The ATA's own report for 1978 shows:

Revenue passenger miles:
1) UA (39.3B)
2) AA (29B)
3) TW (27B)
4) EA (25.2B)
5) DL (23.3B)
6) PA (21.1B)

Enplanements:
1) UA
2) EA
3) DL
4) AA
5) TW
10) PA

Total Operating Revenue:
1) UA
2) AA
3) TW
4) EA
5) PA
6) DL

Fleet size:
1) UA (340)
2) EA (248)
3) AA (246)
4) DL (206)
5) TW (200)
6) NW (105)
7) BN (103)
8) AL (93)
9) PA (90)

How is it I need to sit down, bro?:rolleyes:

Anyway, this is still about Swayne.

This thread makes me laugh. You guys are seriously worked up about a 21 year old First Officer that's accomplishing more than ANY of you keyboard warriors will.

While I think the videos are pretty dry, have you read through the comments on his videos? He's helping out a huge group of pilots that have no exposure to this industry. I'm finally looking at airlines myself, and I wish I'd seen his videos a few years back.

Great!!
 

I’m in that club too, can’t wait for my call up!

Is this the most worked up you've ever been over an internet post bro? :D

I think your numbers are 100% completely off, as AA flew 201m revenue passenger miles in 2017 and I doubt all those airlines flew more in 1978. AA/UA/DL were second rate jobs. Nobody aspired to fly a 727 around Texas for AA when flying a 747 at PA or TW was a possibility.

Skywest must be a legacy now, since their fleet is so huge. I'll let them know and report back.

AAL flew 226 Billion RPM’s in 2017. Billion.

Ah, you're close on the number. 201.

None of your argument changes the fact that all 3 were second rate airlines 40 years ago. Not a flag carrier (neither was DL or UA). Not an international airline, not the largest airline (Eastern) and not the top job that the big 3 are today.

When Captain Swayne retires in 40 years he'll probably have Spirit, Southwest and Frontier as the "big 3" or some other unrecognizable formation like that, bro.

Haha this Varsity kid... Must sting hard to know that by the time you flow, Swayne will be senior to you at mainline. Be careful with all that hate, it's gonna eat you up.

Stings bad bro. That would imply my apps to Fedex and Delta didn't pan out. Maybe he'd be my captain, and show me some cool video editing on our layovers. :D

So how does he stand out amongst his peers...his resume would only have one extra bullet point
-Pilot Recruitment Youtube Sensation

Dont see how that justifies anything

Oddly enough...

There's no "official" definition of a legacy airline. Generally assumed to be one which existed prior to 1978, and did interstate routes, that last to exclude SWA.

There is however an official definition of a "major" airline per the federal government: $1B+ in revenues.

With $3B+, skywest is technically a "major" airline.

Even stranger, I'm pretty sure skywest, unlike SWA, actually did do interstate flights in the 1970's but I assume they were 135 at the time.


But here at APC, we bin airlines by their business model, ie regionals are mostly FFD with a few traditional commuters thrown in too.

Everyone on here is literally arguing over the hypothetical of him getting picked up by a major before them...lol...which clearly states that they know he works harder than them if they are already talking about it hahaha

You go Swayne.

For the record. All this BS on here is just that BS. Anytime his name has been brought up in a crew room or at recurrent, everyone has had the same or similar response, “...yeah seems like a humble dude...” or “...yeah I flew with him, very good pilot and nice dude to be on a 4day with...”

...so either I’m talking to a different group of people or most of these people on here don’t work for envoy or are bi-polar.

Ehh, don't give anyone too much credit, we are all just talking to talk at this point. In reality people dont really care about this person, how nice or humble he may be, his sexual orientation or anything else along those lines.

The only thing they care about, is the possibility that simply because he hops on YouTube and makes a company sponsored video he somehow would get picked over someone that has been flying the line for years longer or somehow didn't check one of the socially protected check boxes. That would be an injustice to all the people that have been around longer, working hard in their own way.

Me personally, I dont think the people at AA will see as much benefit from him as Envoy does because AA has zero issues hiring, so his talent and followers mean very little in the long run.

Can’t knock the hustle.

It’s what sets people apart in this business.

Here Comes Swayne
 

The jealousy is real and disgusting! If this thread is a representation of the many cloak-and-dagger users/pilots on the line. I’m very done here.

Another reason why this carrier needs more diversity than ever in all categories.

This thread should be deleted. It is sad! I wish him the best in all he does as I would my family, at the end of the day we all are.

Grow a disgusting mustache Swayne.

We had...
 

We had one guy get into “Cecil’s” office to ask his advice and he got hired at mainline. I think after that one there was a stampede of Eagle drivers over to Cecil’s office. But they couldn’t get in to see him.

Got to have a gimmick bros.

On a side note. There’s NO WAY Eagle would have allowed videos to be made by a pilot back in the bad old days. That companies behavior couldn’t stand the light of day. So we wouldn’t have had that gimmick available to us.

I couldn't agree more and posted such on, I think, the first page of this thread (or maybe it was the other similar thread). Can't believe threads like this are allowed by the mods.

Moderator input: If you see a post which clearly violates forum rules, use the “report post” icon (a triangle at the lower left). Don’t expect someone else to do it for you. We already banned someone for making such a post.
Keep in mind that when someone chooses to become a public figure on Youtube, they give up much of their expectation of privacy.

Looks like I'm going to need to pop some more popcorn.

Usually on board with much of what you have to say, but why in the world would a thread like this not be allowed? There are some "posts" in it that are inflammatory or libel but there is no rule about discussing someone that posts on YouTube.

There also is no rule that just because someone is "nice guy" or "good pilot" makes them immune to people not liking what they may or may not be doing.

I for one appreciate that they don’t crack down on stuff like this. Is it totally professional to do a thread like this? No, but this also isn’t an aa.com email chain. Anyway, the people demand a disgusting mustache.

You asked so I'll answer, because it's allowing shaming and bullying tactics by his peers. Yes, he's one of us.

Now, that's all I'll say on this matter, in this thread or anywhere else, because my comments seem to have me teetering on being banned.

We need it.

"Allowing?" You sound as if there somehow would be no "shaming" and "bullying" were it NOT "allowed" that a discussion take place.

That's a rather extraordinary claim.

An open avenue for discussion/criticism of a PUBLIC figure must NECESSARILY enable "shaming" and "bullying," along with legitimate scrutiny. You can regard it as an unfortunate "side effect" if you wish, but don't allow yourself to operate under the illusion that all the resentment, unfair criticism, and nasty thoughts will suddenly evaporate from the minds of "haters" once you forcefully muzzle all discussion of someone's publicly-distributed product.