New Swayne Propoganda
 

ATTN: ENY Pilots

Ya boy Swayne keeps putting out YouTube recruiting propaganda for the company. Can somebody that flies with this guy have a heart to heart with the kid and tell him he's effing over all of his fellow pilots in the name of InstaFame, FB likes, YT followers, and probably some extra beer money?

Why are they triangles and not stars?

At this point his videos do nothing but hurt the livelihoods of his fellow coworkers and crew members. He may be doing his best to educate those just entering the industry or entertain people that have an interest in aviation but this is one of those cases where the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He is no longer making general aviation videos about flying around in a Cesna, he is making videos that are having a negative impact on the jobs of over 2500 people.

I call BS. Did you notice his recent video was posted hours before the union notification even came? That video he put up wasn’t a “come to Envoy” post.. it was just about holding a line and what that means. The timing was terrible but how would he have known that hours later the pilot ground would find out about all this...?

Considering these videos are made not just with permission from but in partnership with Envoy and the fact that he is getting personal gain from these videos, (the amount of which has been debated, but personal gain none the less) he is chugging from the Envoy Koolaid trough and not going to stop making videos.

That doesn’t answer my question. Whether or not it’s a partnership, he posted this video BEFORE the union news came out. So how can you possibly use this as an example of him creating “propaganda?”

If you think this video is harmful propaganda, why did you help spread it by posting a link? :confused:

Is there a good time to release a video when the pilot group is in negotiations?

I watched the video again just to fact check myself because I understand the point you’re making. But I didn’t see a single thing about “why you should come to Envoy” at all. If anything, he said twice “regardless of which airline you want to work for.”

Am I the only one seeing this??

He should delete it.

Regardless of which airline you might be looking at, if you are a wannabe pilot and start looking for videos, this is still advertising FOR Envoy.

Here Comes Swayne
 

Can we agree it is those watching who are not on property yet that his video & ALL his videos will attract most??????

SWYN has huge subscription numbers and YouTube algorithms will help spread ”The incredible life of this Envoy Pilot” 10X faster than any APC post. It's a just a matter of when you will view SWAYNVOY’s video when you log on to YouTube, not if. Same outcome. Inspiration towards Envoy!

Ooh boy! Can't wait to hear the awesome tunes & see the pretty glamshots. Of planes. Glamshots of planes.

this......

What good would it serve? He hasn’t said anything positive OR negative about the company in any video he’s made. It’s all been facts, and boring ones at that. I can’t even watch all 6 minutes because it’s dry.

How about every video has him in AA uniform and Envoy planes in the background. Regardless of him telling people to come to Envoy or not, it’s still marketing for them.

Think of it as merchandise marketing that companies do in movies and tv shows. They may not say directly to drink a coke, but when everyone is drinking it in the movie it makes an impression.

Do you honestly believe Envoy is letting him make these movies out of the goodness of their hearts? No of course not, they m own that the more their brand is shown the more likely people are to go there.

Sure, but should some 3rd party YouTube channel be the avenue for personal opinion on contract negotiations? Isn’t that what the union is for? I just can’t imagine he would ever get into the game of using his channel to promote personal viewpoints - that’s dangerous territory and I bet he knows it.

He’s stuck to the facts so far and I watch all of his videos to see if there’s any “Envoy spin” to them and there just hasn’t been. There was “spin” with his job in Hawaii but he threw that out the window at Envoy. Does that mean you’re going to go around telling all pilots to delete their pictures, bios online, LinkedIn, etc to not “promote” the company through social media? It’s sort of like refusing to eat chick-fil-a and then buying food from another store that donates to other “negative” causes. It’s easy to jump on one person, but from where I sit I just can’t see how this could possibly be “his” fault.

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Just think what he gets paid. ;)

Copyright infringement. America first,

.....now it’s in your face. I thought we were all not supposed to care?

On point. Lol

and where is it you sit, in the CPO, HQ or recruiting?

At least I don't spend all of my valuable time letting a 22 year old get me all worked up ;)

There's not a chance in hell that Swayne's videos have a clear, meaningful impact on Envoy's ability to staff classes. If he did find a way to do that, he'd be rolling in it $$$... We all know how much these airlines spend on recruiting!

I do. Sometimes I’ll even let them wear my hat.

I don’t think you understand marketing or human psychology. He doesn’t have to say anything positive.

I have a friend back home who works at the airport and he showed me a picture from when Swayne was doing his walk around while my buddy was fueling the airplane. My buddy was all excited because Swayne is a celebrity to future and young aviators. Again, he doesn’t have to say anything positive. When young pilots start “regional shopping” a lot of them look up to Swayne and think Envoy must be pretty good if Swayne went there. Almost every pilot I know who is still building their time knows who Swayne Martin is. He’s an influence for Envoy whether he says positive things or not.

You’re also correct that it’s the unions job to get pay and QOL gains. But you can bet your arse if classes are still full (partly because of the Swayne influence) that even if you had Jimmy Hoffa negotiating for you... you guys are gonna get jack squat.

These videos cost Envoy little or nothing and they have a whole propaganda department (all those emails and pointless stuff on the home page) that probably just previews his stuff. He had 55K views on this video alone in a few days. If Envoy gets just five people, that is only .01% of his viewers. Granted many aren’t looking to fly for a regional, but even if only 1% are planning to fly for a regional and he influences 1% of those, that is the five people. Again, he doesn’t have to say anything positive about Envoy, but people will remember the company. And those are the millennial cadets Envoy is looking to hook.

Isnt this him at the UND?

Sure is.

The end of his videos (or beginning, I don’t care to watch them at all) do say Envoy. In marketing 101, subliminal programming like that is designed to at least get you THINKING about a company. That’s the first step, and it’s done automatically every time he posts a new video, intentional or not. It’s rather an excellent idea for recruitment as it keeps costs down, but as we all know right now it is not an ideal time to be posting these kinds of videos but I’d imagine he doesn’t really have a choice if he signed a partnership agreement.


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I wouldn’t be surprised if Envoy even contacted him directly to apply. Like a shoe company seeking an endorserment from a popular athlete.

I don’t understand what so cool about pictures they always take that show people falling over.

That picture is full of buffoons

I was operating a flight a few weeks back and a grandfather was on the flight. He came up front and was so excited to tell us about how his grandson, a college senior, was being recruited by Envoy.

I understand it though, younger college students probably feel extremely special getting the mail and calls from regional recruiting departments. It’s hard to blame the kids, or explain to them in any meaningful way that they’re not special.

Tough spot to be in as a pilot with Envoy. Hopefully something falls in yall’s favor sooner than later.

Mehhh kinda miss Chavez. I guess he disappeared off the face of the planet. Now this guy is a complete douche. I can’t stand listening to him narrate.

Maybe you have very little experience outside of aviation or perhaps you’re out of touch with the world these days. The kid should feel special for that. Most careers aren’t like that. It’s a good feeling to be, “wanted” for the career you’re still pumped and excited to be in. Most decent paying jobs post-college are extremely competitive. Extremely competitive. And it’s why many with 4 year degrees don’t do much and don’t have much to show for their degrees. Certainly not at a job that’s offering big bonuses and a livable wage.

Wait. You just said something about a livable wage. Yes, there is a bonus. But if you are talking about someone graduating with a four year, non arts degree, there are much better options. And, if you have a four year aviation degree, you are going to have some SERIOUS debt to pay off. I wouldn’t call this a livable wage for someone with an education and ratings.

disgusting

Hasn't ONE single Envoy pilot taken the time to figure out how he's being compensated by management for these videos? They've got to at least be approving the message he puts out. Either way it should **** off more than a few average line pilot joes.

Where does his allegience lie?
The pilot group?
The airline?
His website?

It most certainly is. Many people I know getting out of college with degrees in other fields generally find jobs in the $35-$45K range. And they have debt as well.

It's partially their fault for getting a degree in a saturated field that either doesn't have the demand or the skill set that pays more. Before I got into Aviation I was making $70-86k depending on if I worked overtime. That's without a college degree working alongside people who have to use their fingers to count to 4.
They can't expect to be a social worker and make bank. If they're going to take on debt to get through school they seriously need to examine their prospects first. Just saying.