I doubt any pilot has bothered to submit an actually contract dispute.

when I did contract compliance as a volunteer at envoy, only about 5% of the open/shut cases, the pilots that called complaining bothered to actually file anything.

of those that did file, only about 30% submitted/uploaded the required evidence, even when you made it super easy for them.

I have never seen any evidence that Envoy is paying Swayne for the videos. Well, apart from these APC rumors that most of the time are unsubstantiated.
My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy.

The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them.

I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is.

Exactly. Another example is those on SA who work in recruiting full time. I know guys who busted their a$$ in recruiting working sometimes 60 or 70 hours a week and doing multiple road shows. Guess how much they got paid? Their contractual SA hours. That's it.

But those guys in recruiting are still line guys and not personally financially benefiting from doing so.

Again the issue that MOST of us have is with being allowed to video Envoy flights and then making money from his YouTube and personal websites with that video THAT NO ONE ELSE is allowed to do.

The irony of this is that besides THKoolAid and Swayne, MOST people now won’t even admit to working at Envoy on social media so don’t even WANT to take any pictures or video lest someone ever be offended and run afoul of the company. It doesn’t matter if you ever say something good, but say one little thing that may offend someone or anything negative and you risk losing your job.

Swayne is still a line guy. He doesn't even do that many S/As.

Is it fair? Not necessarily.

Is it a contractual violation? No.

Why can't you wrap your head around this? Envoy does not have to give every pilot the same opportunity when it comes to stuff outside of line flying? If my airline wants me to hire me as a photographer, my boilerplate contract would still give me the right to make money with the photos.

Ok I’m a line guy and I want to record some flying for my personal vlog. Will they let me do it without his name?

You missed the point. Envoy let's Swayne use company time to record content and use that content to make money through a third party not related to Envoy. Envoy only let him do it for free PR.

You can't just pick and choose who you let break the rules. If Envoy want promotional material they can pay for a professional company to do it.

It's like saying a pilot can use their laptop during cruise but only because they are writing a novel about the history of Envoy which they later sell to a publisher.

This is true. An FOM violation is still a violation with company approval to violate.

CBA Sec 22.
They can pick and choose as much as they want, as long as CBA does not restrict them.

You’re right. This thread is so cringe. We definitely have our share of, “but mah freedom” snowflakes around here. Sad indeed.


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American Airlines is running on fumes currently. They’ve used all available resources to conserve liquidity, which will last until June if something doesn’t drastically change. The company is in so much debt, even if we have a dramatic shift in passenger numbers it’s still extremely doubtful they’ll recover. They’ll be LUCKY to get away with filing chapter 11 with the amount of ridiculous debt on their books they’ve acquired in the last 10 years.

Where am I going with this? I can’t wait for the new “must see” Swayne video when American inevitably files.

Follow this ONE EASY TRICK to become a bitter regional lifer!

YIKES, how many aircraft’s you boys and girls going drive off the pavement this year?

How has pretty boy Swayne not addressed this with “Tips to avoid not paying attention”.

Was that SM?

Swayne is on the 145

The internet WINS AGAIN lol furloughed pilots have too much time on their hands

Missed your chance at 420k subscribers. Ya blew it man

I can’t take credit for it. I wish I could cause it’s an epic meme but I am a simple reposter

The sad thing is we have to be careful with even posting a nice picture here or there. Im not sure how other companies are but it seems that my friends there are more free to post at least on FB or IG

Yea the way the company is right now I would stay away from posting anything on social media while in the air. It’s not worth it, loose your job for a nice ig picture

How "loose" are we talking?

Picture a hotdog.
Now imagine a hallway.

He wasn't involved in the E175 ATV off roading experience was he?

Guess you aren't as IN the know about Envoy as you claim to be. Swayne doesn't fly the heavy.

hey a 145 is a lot heavier than a 172. I will give him that one

Dont act like you know anything. The difference is Cujo actually has a life outside the Envoy forums and you stalk each thread like its your job, most likely seeing 7 or 8 posts back someone already stating he is on the 145.

Honestly what is happening to some of the envoy pilots.
WTH is this? https://youtu.be/FrREmxGBjWY

Purple lights with a turtleneck on? Is this guy posting video’s for a potential gig in Hollywood?

Hey pal! You got the wrong forum. Head on over to the PDT forum.

Unreal. What an absolute clown. I can only imagine how insufferable that guy must be for 4 straight days.

Not an envoy pilot thankfully.

You’re judging somebody’s choice of clothing and lighting?! Weird.... What would you have worn, new balances, Hawaiian shirt complete with a cell phone holder?

The guy wants to put himself out there and make a YouTube video, let him. I’m going to go out on a limb and say you’re a bit insecure with yourself ;)

I am not sure why anyone cares? So long as he doesn't start recruiting for the company or doing things contrary to negotiations, I could care less.

And here comes the fan boys 😂😂😂

So that makes you a hater than? I mean the guy is just doing his thing and it doesnt do anything to hurt us as a pilot group. The only issue I ever had with SM was him essentially working for the company while we were in negotiations.

Grow up, junior!!

If you think Swayne hurt your pilot group in any tangible way during negotiations, I guarantee you the union reps would talk to him. Frankly, it doesn't seem like they have any problem with it. If anything, maybe you guys at Envoy should thank him for bringing in more pilots below your seniority number so you'll get to flow one day (maybe).

There is nothing the union could do about it. It wasn’t a matter of wanting or not.