It’s easy to make fun of his stuff as cheesy and pointless but his target audience is aspiring pilots. Although I think he’s peaked.

This argument keeps getting repeated and is really weak. It's not preferential treatment. Envoy thinks he has a talent and wants him to do another job. Are check airmen getting preferential treatment? No, they were picked because they have a talent - training. What about pilots who appear in safety videos? What about pilots airlines use as brand ambassadors at colleges? What about pilots airlines use in their homepage puff pieces?

Envoy does not want their pilots representing the brand on social media without oversight. Oversight takes time and resources. They would rather spend those resources on someone they know is capable of representing the company well.

saying all check airmen have a talent in training made me chuckle

Talent or not, check airman is an option afforded to pilots as part of the contract. Social media spokesperson at the expense of others is not. He is making money by BEING EMPLOYED AT ENVOY, outside of what is within the contract. If he wants to do that he should be off the seniority list.

Yes, there are plenty of haters, FOR PERSONAL REASONS, and they have no place here or anywhere else, but those of you cheerleading him are working your way to THKoolAid status.

Is there something in your contract that prevents seniority list pilots from doing other jobs within the company? I know ALPA pilots who have made software the company bought from them. And Delta uses actual line pilots for their safety videos. No one asked me if I wanted to be in a safety video. Chief pilots are on the seniority list, but that isn't anyone can do.

THIS ^ ... How about all you losers who complain constantly about this kid use your time and energy to build a skill and resource that can make you money too. Envoy wasn’t Swayne’s first stop.

A simple search of his channel shows how he built a portfolio of experience working with the FAA through Boldmethod and Mokulele Airlines before having some regional like Envoy bat an eye at the thought of him filming in a jet.

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So your idea is to insult people you are upset at for insulting Swayne? Makes sense

Henry is emotionally involved in this topic.

^^^This guy gets it. Swayne has done nothing other than paint Envoy and American Airlines in a very positive light. Yes, it absolutely helps with recruiting. I’ve been there and it ain’t an easy job to pick through stacks of resumes from every Tom, Dick and Harry that aspire to be American Airlines pilots. To get into the pipeline, you first have to be vetted and let me tell you, there are all kinds out there who shouldn’t even be riding AA as a passenger. So, chill about the dude. He works very hard and in the end is doing YOU a service.

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He is still an Envoy pilot. You may disagree with the content, but let's not call other pilots douches unless they do something to hurt other pilots. I doubt his business ventures hurt you or the pilot group in any way.

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Surprised he could stay off his cell phone for the video.

APC here. We understand that large company representatives are public figures and are appropriate topics for discussion. That said, please try to stay on topic and not defame or potentially defame individual pilots who may have vlogs/blogs.

Can we get the rules in writing? Because between Swayne, Blue Falcon, and KS I’m having a hard time remembering what rules apply to who and what we can and can’t say.

Best I can tell is that it depends on the mood of the mods.
I know of several accounts being banned for the same type of posting or behavior that others seem to get away with constantly.🤷🏻‍♂️

I think my post was deleted, but to answer your question, yes, he did hurt the pilot group trying to pass that bogus LOE. He wasted our union dues money. I don’t think you were around when that happened, good junior sir!

LOA*

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pool wasted tons of money

SP? He didn’t care about anything else but his flow.

@Hard Lemonade what’s your thought on this?

I don’t think he comes here anymore

I was here for that. People were unhappy so they voted for someone else for the full term. Thats how the process is supposed to work.
Im not sure of any dues money wasted. Most reps don't spend a penny, speaking at a meeting is free.

This is probably true to an extant because while we have written TOS they have to interpreted by Mods who are individuals. And while there is obviously not one way to handle every situation I would be willing to say more often than not the variance is on the side of being too lenient vice too harsh. Sometimes MODs can not keep up with the traffic.

To paraphrase a wise Indian Chieftain - We MODs are few - posters are many. :) If you think folks are constantly getting away with TOS violations help us out by reporting them - this will ensure that the posts in question are definitely being scrutinized.

Thanks Scoop

One time I reported somebody who dropped in and spammed Rickroll link, one of the mods showed up and posted in the thread and it was clear that he thought it was funny.

Pilots are grug-brained creatures on average. Set your expectations lower.

Mmmkay.


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Does the airline use the boldmethod clickbait he writes as the pilots quarterly training?

I've seen boldmethod images in our quarterly CBTs. No clue how that works, doubt it's licensed. And doubt they (boldmethod) even care. Those images have gotta be in every CFI binder and flight school powerpoint from the last 5 years hahaha. If they're still making money off of that stuff though, more power to him. As an outsider, I agree with most of you guys. I don't understand the hate and good for him for capitalizing on a trend. Shrug.

I’d like to thank DB for his nasty snarky posts in the ord page sent to the cpo. I’m glad I don’t have to see his ugly face on the yoke caps of the 145s anymore

SM is an enemy of your pilot group 100%. His video’s are actually very good, professionally done, and legal, unlike every other wanna be pilot YouTuber. BUT what his videos do is influence clueless teenagers to spend $100,000 in student debt to go make 45K a year, with terrible work rules. He’s creating more supply for management and less demand, which doesn’t matter now, but will in the future. Less demand equals less leverage, equals less pay for the pilot group.

What makes the situation worse is that he benefits financially by his situation while hurting the pilot group unintentionally.

The common theme here is.... SM is a decent human being, but bad for for the pilot group. Good on him for the hustle, but shame on him for doing what no one else can’t and thus go against the pilot group.

There is definitely a culture amongst pilots and SM seems to gone against it. Through the fame and money, I still wouldn’t want to be him.

He doesn’t have to make video’s for Envoy. He could make other videos not related to 121 operations, but notice how Envoy “allows” him to make these videos. Both parties win financially while the rest of pilot groups will feel the brunt. Seems like a real sweet deal, you guys should all support him and tell him how great he is!

I get your point. I don’t have any stake in this game, but it would probably make me feel some sort of way if I was on property too.

As someone said earlier - there are pilots at every airline who do business with the company outside of their pilot contract. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s called capitalism and being able to market yourself in an otherwise non-merit based career. No matter how good each pilot is at their job, you can’t really “get ahead” in aviation very easily.

Some make software, some work in management, some show up in safety videos, some own flight schools that do contracts with the company, and Swayne just so happens to make videos. Which he’s been doing for 7 years. Unless I’m wrong, I don’t think any of you here spent years building experience working with the FAA and airlines to get approval for cockpit footage and stuff like that.

And for those of you talking about how he posted a video during contract negotiations.. do you not remember what he posted on Instagram the day the company backed out on your agreement? The video was released hours before your union announced what had happened... so how was he supposed to know before any of you? THEN he didn’t post another video publicly until your contract was finally agreed upon.

I don’t know Swayne well. I did however meet him since I went to school at UND. But what I do know is that over 84 pages of comments on nameless forums about him seen wrong. And if you spend time looking at what he’s doing and the timing of his posts, this thread doesn’t seem right.

"Both parties win financially" That's capitalism my friend. If you don't like it, start your own side business. Sounds to me like you're really bitter about this when this really doesn't have any affect on your life.

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True, it has zero effect on me, but I gave my opinion, and I have plenty of experience that goes with that opinion.

As someone who previously worked at a regional before moving on, I can personally tell you all about how supply and demand can serious destroy QOL and overall moral at a company. Management at essentially every company has done nothing but spent every minute of every day to find a new way to create concessions. The new trick is to have individuals like SM feed the roster without increasing pay or work rules.

In fact, you couldn't be more wrong. I have said it before and will say it again.

1. He is a union member with all of the benefits of said union.
2. He at times makes videos that run contrary to the goals of that union.
3. He is afforded an opportunity that as far as I know, no other pilot on staff is allowed, thus not allowing us to start a business like this if we wanted to.

If he wants to make videos and show how great Envoy is all the while they are paying him for it, great, just do it with the tag that you are classed as "management". This concept shouldn't be that hard to understand, I don't see the issue other than people are wanting it to be so desperately about the person and not the issue at hand. I hate to break it to you, none of us care what he does in his personal life.

THIS exactly. Especially #’s 1 & 2.

Don’t hate the player,hate the game.


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There are a few soap boxes I will continue to stand on. Most of the people hating on him are doing so because of WHO he is, which while not my thing, everyone should be able to do there own thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. But the rest of us are hating on WHAT he is doing because that HAS hurt the Envoy pilot group.

This!100 percent agree!