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He’s got to be running low on material now. Maybe do some airport food reviews? 10 things I wish I knew about airport food....

Can't do snack basket reviews either. Maybe airport shuttle reviews. The best would be showing the what to do with a 4 hour sit at an outstation, what it is like to get extended, and joys of Jr manning

Legal or not that flight video was not confidence inspiring for the traveling public. At all.

I wasnt even including him in that. He s a special kind of stupid that cant be generalized with anyone else.

I don’t know him, or his videos. Based on this thread though and his ties to the company, I’d say he has little to fear from the feds or the company.

Likely a smart kid and each video is pre approved, scrubbed, edited, and buffed to assure compliance from all angles.

Yeah, if he's lasted this long he's got the blessing from on high.

It has largely been upheld in courts that if you put yourself out there to the general public, you lose many expectations of privacy. In the case of the Blue Falcon, he didn't do anything to willingly make himself a public figure and thus has more protection than Swayne. Swayne puts his name in his videos and is a YouTube personality, can't really complain when people call you out by your own name.

It would look pretty bad from a PR / Recruiting stand point to fire a gay YouTube personality. Let’s call a spade a spade. He and his lawyers probably have authorization in writing to film. ALPA and the pilot group don’t have a leg to stand on. *yawn

Didn’t realize ALPA and the pilot group were all in an uproar over him.
It’s just a few folks that want to make noise over someone who’s got an approved/company sanctioned side hustle.
Good for him.
Some of the butt hurt morons that have posted on this subject don’t even work at envoy and just add to the entertainment value of this thread.
I can’t image something like this causing me to get all wound around the axle and angrily type about it on an anonymous forum. That type of existence is just pathetic.
Find a healthy hobby and step back from the keyboard.

that’s a lot of hand wringing to unpack.

I can make it very simple for me. I just dont like swayne. period.

This is correct. Public personalities are fair game.

If they didn't like what he's doing they'd just tell him to stop, and he'd comply (flow to AA might still be a better long-term proposition that youtube. Maybe).

Who is he dating these days? Ugh I'm so sick of his hair style. I heard he went to this party, last weekend, on Becky's boat and like he didn't even have a good time. He snapped this girl so that's how I know. And like, what is up with his voice on camera?

this thread is ridiculous! It needs to go away! Nothing more needs to be said! But wait.... let me just keep commenting

Not sure what you meant by that.
Go easy, I’m old and slow on the uptake.

I doubt almost any of you commenting on this thread have ever worked with him. I obviously haven’t, but frankly I’ve heard nothing but good things from people I know who have.

I reply to this thread because I think it’s frankly ridiculous - YouTube “personality” or not. Who cares? Don’t we ALL have better things to worry about?

The photographer from the F-22 Raptor demo team. He traded up from his college boyfriend.

This is my issue with this thread and has always been my issue.

He works with us. If you have an issue with him, seek him out and tell him. You have the ability to look up his schedule so you can find him and tell him face to face if you want. Or you can simply look up his company email and send him a message. Those that don't work here can comment at his youtube videos and message him via his youtube account where he actually posts the videos.

But posting here behind anonymous usernames behind the guise of "he's on youtube so he's a public figure"? Come on guys, that's chicken **** and cowardly. This isn't some inaccessible celebrity or politician.

You seem to forget that at any point, anyone can play the victim. With his followers and the company's blessing, you'll be fired if he doesn't like your tone.

Is there any evidence that he operates that way? All I've seen here are people complaining about things from inferred preferential treatment to jokes about his sexuality and nothing about retaliation from him. At some point you guys need to move on and put this to rest.

Mods should have put this to rest a long time ago.

Edit: To add on more thing... people here are more likely to say something inappropriate than when their names are behind what they are saying. But the thing is, these 'anonymous' personas we have here are very thinly vailed. Many people have already figured out who we are. Don't think you can just go off like a crazy person and someone can't "play the victim", as you put it, and you're gonna be fine.

Jealousy can be an ugly thing. I am happy for him. Apparently Envoy thinks he provided some recruiting value because they approved every video.

If one is really worried about that, keep it to a textual format like an email that can be referenced later.

Everyone posting that this should be closed, or we should all search his schedule and seek him out in person seem to forget that this is a public forum, one in which ideas, thoughts, complaints and the like can be openly discussed. If we just slam shut every forum post that some dont like, we would never have anything on here.

While there may be a few posters that dont like the guy, my beef has always been that I didnt like him promoting recruiting while we were in the midst of a large issue with the company and I dont think it is fair that he gets to make extra money working hand in hand with the company and others cant. If that is the case, he should drop out of the union and become a management style pilot. As it stands now, he makes extra money with the blessing and cooperation of the company, bonus no other pilot that I am aware of gets and to that point, a bonus that has been actively taken away from other pilots.

This guy, whom I am sure is great, gets to play both ends of the field. He gets union protections while at times doing things counter productive to the unions goals, all the while also having the blessings of management. This is different than hustling your way through the shows trying to get contacts to get out early, as that is something we all can do. This hustle is something unique that is barred off from the rest of the pilot group.

Anyway, thats my two cents. I dont really lose sleep or even think about this guy or his videos unless this thread gets active and even then, I just poke my head in to offer a prospective besides, "shut this thread down", "he is gay so thats why we are mad" or "you all are just jealous" or "you all are just lazy". There are actual valid reasons to not approve of the videos and none of them have anything to do with the person themselves, but rather the situation and context of which they exist.

There's always one boomer who comes in to threads and says "if you were a real man you'd meet me by Starbucks to discuss this in person!"

I don't really disagree that his special access should be treated like a management position but much of this thread has been unnecessarily personal with little to do with that. If the discussion always stayed on whether he should be in the union or not or along those lines, I wouldn't be posting my complaints as to why this thread is allowed.

Anyway, that concern should be taken to the union.

https://youtu.be/xuGsAns2CQg

we got another one

well, guess “K” made his travel vlog (with the classic uniform shots) private.

lol, video is marked private.

Good points.

While I find professional airline pilots youtubing about their jobs kind of of distasteful, he's not breaking any formal rules.

People here are free to express their distaste, or how much they love it, either way. He's a public figure, no expectation of privacy here.

Maybe the union needs a rule such that they can order members to "cease and desist" in public behavior which is counter to the goals and best interests of the pilot group? I guess the unions only hammer would be to kick someone down to non-member status, which would be largely symbolic (and save the offender some dues money).

On the contrary, he's violating a lot of rules with the company blessing. None of us can do what he does. I believe Aviator Chavez was made private as an example. We have to fill our social media posts with: "this reflects my opinion and no way shape or form is representive of my company." We're told that despite being proud of being where we are, we may have wrongthink now or in the future and to disassociate with them while on the internet.

A lot of people on these boards voiced their concerns to one another when in the middle of pay negotiations, he posted a company sponsored video. It was not see as being in unison with his fellow union members and instead shilling for the company in a very critical time.

​​​For Swayne's deeds, that would be the one that bothers me. I think it's neat that he has a successful YouTube channel, I wanted to do that in my career too, but I didn't get the views. And the social media policy is the company and AA's fault, not Swayne's fault, getting upset with him because he got the blessing, in my mind, is a mistake.

that didn’t last long

Agency Shop 101, you should know this. You can't not pay union dues and stay employed.
You can be a member in bad standing, or a non-member, but you will pay your dues. Otherwise you will be terminated.

My question is, why does anyone seek internet fame if they're in a career not associated with being a narcissistic 'look at me' persona such as acting, journalism, politics etc. Why not just change to another field that is more visible?

Why is this even a thread ?
Let the man live his life.
So much jealousy in this world, it’s not easy doing those videos, it takes time and editing.
We should all just support each other.

Those videos are great, very informative, they definitely helped me make my decision in which regional to choose.

In my opinion, keep going bud, forget the haters

Two main reasons

Preferential treatment: The rest of are told that we cannot link back to Envoy because they're worried about getting sued or canceled. That we actually received training saying that they want us to include in social media posts: "This statement is my own and is not sponsored or affiliated with the company."

Posting Envoy sponsored videos during pay negotiations: A lot of people question where his loyalty is when we're supposed to be a union together and he's doing what he's doing with the company.

Try to have some critical thinking skills before you start opening your mouth as to people's motives.